RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 15, 2016 at 4:28 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2016 at 4:29 pm by WinterHold.)
(May 15, 2016 at 4:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I think it's more than a little bit amusing that you would accept verses from the quran as "arguments". That's probably not what that word means. You'd have no more reason to accept the verses he points to than he does to accept the verses you might point to. Which -might- have something to do with your disagreements from the outset.
It's all about what the verse "says", and "doesn't say". As simple as that; really.
Actually, the difference between "reading the thing as it really is" and "trying to make it sound like what you want it to sound like", is pretty big. One big difference.
As an example:
1- verse that tells you God is one: well it means -and can only mean- that God is one. An person with a brain damage might think that the verse means "God is actually a number"..You get to choose: either read it as it is, or play games around the words to get out with a result you want.
2-A verse that tells you to cut the hand of thieves. Well..it either means what it really means (cutting the hand of thieves), or ...get around it the way you want; like saying (oh oh, hand is a metaphor for something else ! a hand is not a hand !!!! damn you stupid kuffar you just can't see it !!)
3-A whole book that doesn't contain a single bit about the 12 imams..but for some reason, mystic and his cult knew that the 12 Imams exist !!! and if we don't see it (even though it doesn't exist), we are lost sunnies who can't break the mysticism of the Quran!
Let me be straight; rythm. a syntax is a syntax. semantics are semantics. Left means left and right means right xD
The verses are obvious and there is no way out of it; I'm sorry that's how I see it ! If you want to ignore what words mean (like right meaning right) be my guest; like I care. I actually don't care, really.
It's obvious. I'm bringing the verse IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES, saying what it says in its own language; it's obvious. Using refrences of "Ayatollah this and that" only add a complication that I call: gymnastics of the words.
