Being a sinner just for being born

[Ignorant]

I just fail to see the meaningful difference between:

Being punished directly for Adam's sin

And

Inheriting a sinful nature from him

Since the end result is the same.

I think this is a great question/insight, and I am pretty sure Gemini points out the same here and here (I'm sure others did as well, but those posts stuck out).

This is an important difficulty which must be recognized as a difficulty. Attempts to "rationalize" this away lead unhealthy humanity as the OP gave evidence with her 'friend'. Good and human shock seems an appropriate response.

It's not so much that I don't understand it's more of shock. I've been around Christians all my life and I know the whole if you don't believe you go to hell part but just the way their conversation made their god sound scary yet they were all so happy about it made me question why they don't see it. I don't think I have ever heard them speak so bluntly. One even went on to say that the good are being punished because of the bad. I thought that going through bad things wasn't a punishment I thought it was god's will and in his plan. So his plan is to punish everyone regardless of if you follow him?  I reckon I'm more so complaining than asking anything. It just seems a bit too much like Westborough Church and that angered me.

I, personally, would trust your emotion here. At the source of the anger is a genuine love for other people (humanity in general) you don't want to go through life with this unhealthy sort of view of themselves.

As for original sin and sin in general: It is a huge mess. When we act irrationally and in less-than-human ways, it tends to affect those around us in ways we couldn't have imagined. Any attempts to clean that up and make sin look nice and rational and orderly seems, to me, to just completely contradict our lived experience. Life is a mess. When we act poorly, we make it even messier, and when we act well, (especially in communion with each other), things clean up a little bit.