RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
July 6, 2016 at 3:48 am
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2016 at 3:49 am by Veritas_Vincit.)
(July 5, 2016 at 2:12 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 5, 2016 at 1:57 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: Even if we concede that a few of the teachings in the Bible are good, they are not good because they are in the Bible or because of who said them, they are good because they are good, and would be even if they were said by someone else or in another book. The flip side is that there are countless teachings in the Bible that are decidedly evil, immoral, barbaric and utterly worthless.
Now granted, they don't mean the Bible is all bad. But the point is - the Bible is just a book. Behaviours, morals, and teaching are either good or bad on their own merits, no matter who says them or what book they are printed in.
What "teachings in the Bible that are decidedly evil, immoral, barbaric and utterly worthless."? Let's limit it to the moral discussion earlier and only have examples of what we "ought" personally to do.
Of course civil penalties for law violations in a theocracy are decidedly not teachings.
Wow, that's a bullshit answer! Anything that is attributed to God is a teaching. If it says "And God said..." That isn't just a matter of civil law, it still counts I'm afraid. You aren't getting your Bible off the hook that easily.
Keeping slaves, owning people as property and being able to beat them, on any level, at any time, is immoral. And no, God wasn't just regulating it, he was condoning and instructing it, so don't waste your time with that answer. It isn't good enough and I'm sick of hearing it.
Administering the death penalty for adultery is immoral. It's too harsh of a sentence by far.
Administering the death penalty for two men having sex is immoral. It does no harm to anyone and is often an expression of love.
The idea that the creator of the universe has rights over our lives is immoral. We have the power to squish bugs but that doesn't morally justify our doing so. I didn't ask to be created and I do not recognise anyone's right to own me or rule my life - so the ball is back in God's court. If your imaginary God punishes me, maybe he can, but that doesn't make it right.
The idea that you can sacrifice your child is evil. It isn't sacrifice, it's murder, infanticide. The fact that a God at any time under any circumstances would do this is immoral. And the fact that Abraham would have gone through with it is morally despicable.