Your lack of imagination is your defeat

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@This NDE business.  

What -about- an NDE account...if true (see, huge load off..no need to prove any particular), in whatever sense it is taken to be true, would suggest that mind is independent of brain?  In the sense that we percieve ourselves to be leaving our body?  I don;t need to get near death to have that experience...nor do I need to leave my body.  Creating projections, simulations, indirect models of sense data...is kind of what my mind/brain appears to be doing pretty much all the time.  That I can place myself across the room, perceptually, isn't that much different from placing a chair across the room.

In another of Rik's threads, I suggested he look into James Randi's account of his own out-of-body experience, thinking that it might stimulate Rik to reconsider his NDE hobby horse and his insistence that such unusual events 'prove' that consciousness is separate from the brain. Of course, that went unremarked. I can't say I'm surprised.