Thank you for your reply, Soldat Du Christ.
I think I can see your point. For example, if we are all a product of this creator, then we would naturally possess its various attributes and be subject to its laws. As a result, making use of reason, logic, and comprehending immaterial laws will help people on their quest for objective truth, because they are using the tools of their creator; this validates the means by which these people pursue truth. However, I feel that this ultimately has validity to a specific population of people, namely those who subscribe to supernaturalism.
This website presents concrete evidence of secular and non-theistic people who are logical and rational and who understand immaterial laws; yet, the supernatural has no validity or personal relevance to them. IMO, this suggests that these traits need not be associated with the supernatural; people can cultivate them just fine without it. However, to be fair, theists and non-theists ultimately use rationality to make their arguments and understand reality, yet neither side has a definitive, conclusive answer. Hence, since rationality, whether it be applied through a supernatural or natural lens, is presently incapable of unraveling and explaining the mysteries and secrets of reality, would you say that there are other ways to search for truth and understand reality that are outside of rationality and have not been discovered yet? Perhaps neither side is going about their search in the right way?
Thank you for your time and attention, sir.
Soldat Du Christ Wrote:I agree, it requires human rationality to make sense of anything. From my world view, Rationality, logic, immaterial laws, all come from the creator, as a result all of creation are under the same laws. From the opposing view (Order out if chaos) i can see how one could end up in the position of questioning there own ability to reason these things out with confidence. That is a major flaw, trying to justify the brain using the brain. Incabable of doing so, it only follows to retreat to uncertainty. This is NOT a sane, nor a reasonable way to live. But people will at the end of the day believe what they want to.
I think I can see your point. For example, if we are all a product of this creator, then we would naturally possess its various attributes and be subject to its laws. As a result, making use of reason, logic, and comprehending immaterial laws will help people on their quest for objective truth, because they are using the tools of their creator; this validates the means by which these people pursue truth. However, I feel that this ultimately has validity to a specific population of people, namely those who subscribe to supernaturalism.
This website presents concrete evidence of secular and non-theistic people who are logical and rational and who understand immaterial laws; yet, the supernatural has no validity or personal relevance to them. IMO, this suggests that these traits need not be associated with the supernatural; people can cultivate them just fine without it. However, to be fair, theists and non-theists ultimately use rationality to make their arguments and understand reality, yet neither side has a definitive, conclusive answer. Hence, since rationality, whether it be applied through a supernatural or natural lens, is presently incapable of unraveling and explaining the mysteries and secrets of reality, would you say that there are other ways to search for truth and understand reality that are outside of rationality and have not been discovered yet? Perhaps neither side is going about their search in the right way?
Thank you for your time and attention, sir.
