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On Moral Authorities

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RE: On Moral Authorities

November 10, 2016 at 9:44 am

FallenToReason:

It seems to me you're discussing modelling morality rather than arguing for the "correctness" of any particular system. Systems can't help you produce the goals, and without goals, it's not clear what we're even talking about.

For example, someone might say morality is about pleasing god.

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