RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 17, 2016 at 7:49 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 7:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 17, 2016 at 7:26 pm)Ignorant Wrote: 1) Correct, it is unnecessary for salvation. Doesn't mean it isn't helpful.Meh, good work appears to be more helpful.
Quote:3) HA!, so the Pope thinks that people can have eternal life without any relation what-so-ever with Jesus? Are you saying that the Pope teaches that Jesus is not necessary for atheists to go to heaven? You might want to take another crack at it.Yes, that's what he said. An atheist -has- no relationship with christ. That;s what it means to be an atheist, you realize? It's the relationship or knowledge that's unneccesary, keep up. It's really not that revolutionary. The church has long thought that "savage races" who had never heard of christ were covered by the promise of the crucifixion all the same.
Quote:No one receives eternal life except from Jesus. Does that mean atheists can't receive it? No. That would be a stupid understanding of that first sentence. It means that if atheists receive eternal life, it must necessarily come from Jesus. He's the only one who can give it, and he gives it to those who do good work according to what they know. Sure, you can twist your scrote and call whatever you like a relationship..but it'll be pretty transparent if you do.-and you don't need a relationship with jesus to get it, if atheists can get it. Again, not necessary, in that case, so why should I give a shit? I mean, feel free to present a more traditional faith, tell me I'm going to go to hell if I don't have that knowledge or relationship.....but...I'll just remind you that possession would not compel compliance, in me, so?
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