RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 21, 2016 at 2:52 pm
(This post was last modified: November 21, 2016 at 2:54 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(November 21, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:Catholic_Lady Wrote:And as I've repeated 3 times now, I do think it's just as wrong to discriminate based on religious beliefs as it is to discriminate based on race. The fact that I'm pointing out that Muslim is a religion, does not diminish how wrong it is to discriminate against them. My sentiments are the same as yours.
Holy moly.
As for whether or not it sounds ignorant to refer to a religious belief as a race, well we'll just have to disagree on that.
I can see why you're confused by the response you're getting. Some atheists here have gone on rants about how Islam isn't a race, so it's not a theist/atheist thing.
The issues with pointing out that nuance are that it sounds like a 'yes, but...'. "Police shouldn't be shooting so many black people." "Yes, but if they weren't breaking the law, police wouldn't shoot them." The other issue that comes to mind is that disentangling race from religion isn't so simple. Sure, there are Muslims of all races; but in the minds of many (if not most) anti-Muslim bigots, their dislike is tangled up with their mental image of a brown person/foreigner/not-as-white-as-me other. By focusing on the religion, it gives racists cover to hate people of color without being called on their racism.
Ordinarily, I'm all for semantic quibbling; but people who associate anti-Muslim bigotry with racism are not really wrong, even though literal racism might not be involved for some people who dislike Muslims, and it's highly unlikely that they actually don't know Muslim isn't really a race.
Not trying to beat up on you, just trying to provide some perspective.
It's just a pet peeve of mine because it is incorrect and sounds ignorant to refer to Muslim as race. And if you're having a discussion with someone who has a prejudice against Muslims, calling it racism only gives them ammo against your argument. It's counter productive, to say the least. We don't need to call it racism to point out that it's wrong to discriminate against entire groups of people bc of their religious beliefs. If while discussing it with an "anti Muslim" person it comes out that it is indeed only about the fact that they are Arab and not bc they worship "Allah," then you can point out their racist prejudice. Until then, if their argument against Muslims is their beliefs, then counter their points by stating facts about what many Muslims (especially those in the West) are actually like, rather than immediately playing the race card. Facts and education go a much longer way imho, but to each their own I suppose. As I said, my initial comment on it was meant to be a bit of a tease, like correcting someone's grammar. If it's that important to someone to refer to Muslim as race, they can knock themselves out lol. I wasn't trying to get into a fight about it.
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