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Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
(December 11, 2016 at 7:51 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: Toranic and biblical depictions of a "maximally great" yhwh shows a being that can do less than what humanity is currently capable of. Hence yhwh isn't a maximally great being.

What would be some specific examples of this?

(December 11, 2016 at 12:15 pm)robvalue Wrote: So "God" is testing your ability to maintain specific beliefs about it that you happen to be taught as a child, which mostly depend on where you live, despite a total lack of credible evidence that any of it is true. What kind of stupid God would do this? Why should such a God be respected? Why would it punish the people who happen to born into the wrong religion, even though they pass their "test of faith" in what they have been taught?

Theistically speaking any answer I can think of would relate to trusting in what we're taught about God and his nature. Yet, like you also brought up in your post, there's so many religions that firmly believe what they were taught as children. And obviously this relates once again to "tests of faith". 

Not sure if I brought this up here before but earlier a certain question popped into my mind that relates to this, and I think finding the correct answer is going to be extremely important: "Does God really give every single one of us a sufficient chance to follow whatever the 'one true faith' may be....or is that just made up to defend religions?" 

Obviously theists are going to support the first part of that question while atheists are going to support the second. Thinking on this question for a bit, I was thinking about how Jews and Muslims firmly believe in their faith like I and many Christians have. Many Christians, Jews, and Muslims follow their faiths for their entire lives, trusting in their faith. Some will convert, but even then, who says they've converted to the "correct" faith? A Jew might convert to Christianity...identifying as Protestant. Another Jew might convert also convert to Christianity, and follow Catholicism. Both firmly believing in their faith towards the denomination of Christianity that they follow. They've probably researched religion with some level of thoroughness and made their choice, trusting in their faith to lead them to the answer. 

Yet here we see two different concluded answers. Both assumedly believing that God led them to the correct faith. I don't know all that much about Protestantism, but I know the Catholic Church definitely considers itself the one true Church of God and discourages dissent of its general teachings. Despite this, one person researched both types of religion and found Protestantism to be correct; likely remaining Protestant for the rest of their lives. Even within Christianity, we have people from all different faiths feeling like God undeniably led them to the correct faith/denomination.

I guess I'll have to bring this up with other Catholics.

Trying to get some more perspective on operator's points, I asked the Catholic Forums two things...


Quote:Are there people who are uncontrollably evil (if so, why does God allow it)?

This question popped into my mind recently. Are there people who have mental/psychological issues that cause them to be evil/sinful genuinely beyond control? 

If so, why does God allow people to live in a condition where they can't reasonably follow Him and do good?


So far, some of the answers to this credit psychological/sociopathic problems to neglect and abuse, usually during childhood. The parents and people around the victim have the free will to act however they want, which can damage the victim.

As for sociopathic issues that are purely related to chemical/anatomical problems, people have said they simply don't know why God would allow this.

I've gotten answers stating that it then falls on us to help these victims to the best of our ability...which seems to imply that it might be discipline or a way to strengthen those around the victim. I don't know where I stand on this yet.


Quote:Why does God allow the Bible to be so "unclear" at times?

"Unclear" may not be the best word to use in the title, but I didn't really know how to condense my thoughts. 

I know Christians/Catholics don't consider the Bible to have any contradictions, and regardless of whether this is true, why does God allow to Bible to seem like it could have contradictions? Why does God allow the Bible to be left up to so many interpretations that there's multiple denominations of the Christian faith? 

If the Bible is to be the infallible Word of God, why didn't God make it clearer?

These being Catholics, they explained how my questions work against sola scriptura. Most responders talked about how important the Church is to interpreting the faith. One explained how God's Divine Law is said to use both Scripture and Sacred Tradition to infallibly teach it.

Most responses I've gotten so far explained that God gave us the Church, only one Church, and other denominations are just considered to be due to human weakness. They say these other denominations have formed because they don't have the Church to interpret Scripture. I'd assume questions related to why God allows us weakness in this important aspect would be answered using free will as justification. This one Church was given by God before the Bible was written, and one person justified the variances within the Bible by explaining how the different authors had different perspectives and fields of knowledge.

I think this might be a good question to ask Protestants considering how different their responses would be.
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist? - by Balaco - December 11, 2016 at 7:01 pm

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