Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?

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We're not even asking for evidence, people can literally make up anything they want about this character. Imagine we're rolling a character for D&D. They can't even make it so that the character makes sense and is internally consistent, when given absolute free reign.

It's like saying you have 20 points to spread between your 6 attributes, and someone keeps insisting they have 10 for each of the 6. That doesn't work, not even for an imaginary character. It doesn't fit its own model.

That's what we're stuck on here. My advice would be drop the precognition because it's a logical contradiction. Why is it so important to see the future? The fact that he keeps meddling in our affairs is evidence that he doesn't in fact know the future, and has to keep screwing with things to keep it on track.

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I don't know if people really don't get this, or just resist at all costs, saying anything at all, because the logical conclusion breaks their belief system.

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Let's try one more.

You're in a room with two exits, a blue door and a red door. I know which one you will leave by. I write it down. I write the correct, final result of which door you leave by on a piece of paper and put it in an envolope. You put the enveloped in your pocket.

Can you choose to go through the door I didn't write down? Even though you can't see it, the fact that it's there and correct means you simply can't. If you did, you'd open the envolope and see the incorrect prediction, contradicting the fact that I knew which door you'd go through.

So obviously that is all wrong. If you had a free choice, the contents of the envolope would have to change.

If this what God's "foresight" is like, a constantly changing envelope that doesn't converge until the event actually happens, then all he's doing is watching to see what happens.