RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 23, 2016 at 8:58 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2016 at 8:59 am by Jehanne.)
(December 23, 2016 at 5:37 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:(December 22, 2016 at 7:56 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Francis is, of course, trying to push things into a more progressive direction, but as he does that more and more, then you have the problem of the so-called infallible Church contradicting itself on its so-called "infallible" teachings. I am a former traditional Catholic, also, but as I posted earlier in this thread, I left the Church for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was all the contradictions that occurred between one Pope and another. It just got too silly to believe in it, and the "smells & bells" were not enough to keep me interested. In the end, I was faithless, that is, without a faith!
I honestly don't think that Bergoglio's all that progressive. Remember, as head of the Jesuits in Argentina he was perfectly happy to rat out his own subordinates to the junta. And listen to what he says in countries like the Philippines or when he's talking to your one who refused to marry gay couples. His message then is no different than Ratzinger's ot Wojtyla's, he's just much better at seeming than the last two popes were.
Kind of invoking the principle of "falsification," it only takes one doctrine to be changed, and the whole house of cards come crumbling down, at least in my opinion. Consider this from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Quote:1650 Today there are numerous Catholics in many countries who have recourse to civil divorce and contract new civil unions. In fidelity to the words of Jesus Christ - "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" the Church maintains that a new union cannot be recognized as valid, if the first marriage was. If the divorced are remarried civilly, they find themselves in a situation that objectively contravenes God's law. Consequently, they cannot receive Eucharistic communion as long as this situation persists. For the same reason, they cannot exercise certain ecclesial responsibilities. Reconciliation through the sacrament of Penance can be granted only to those who have repented for having violated the sign of the covenant and of fidelity to Christ, and who are committed to living in complete continence.
Now, Amoris laetitia (from Francis):
Quote:"Hence it can no longer simply be said that all those in any 'irregular' situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace. More is involved here than mere ignorance of the rule. A subject may know full well the rule, yet have great difficulty in understanding 'its inherent values', or be in a concrete situation which does not allow him or her to act differently and decide otherwise without further sin." (paragraph 301)
In my opinion, the above citations blow-away any notion of the Catholic Church's so-called "infallibility", and this is just what one would expect from religions, if they were man-made (and, they are); they not only contradict each other they contradict themselves. "God's law" is flexible, which means, per the ontological so-called proof, "God" cannot be a perfect Being with a perfect moral will, blah, blah, blah.
I have much better things to do with my time, and I hope that you do as well!!