RE: Democracy is fucked up
January 10, 2017 at 4:07 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2017 at 4:12 pm by Zenith.)
(December 12, 2016 at 4:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Kind of the Republicans here, only that they descended from the Communist Party
Yeah.... same thing happened here, too.
@Tazzycorn --- something's wrong with the page, it brings Minimalist's post when I issue the reply to you.
I used to believe that as well.
But you have to consider how it actually works in practice, and if it tends to yield good results or bad results, in most democratic countries.
That is, if, say, only 5-10% of the democratic countries are performing well, then it's very likely that the cause in those countries are the people (e.g. a better culture, mentality), rather than say that the system is the cause.
Otherwise, even the Feudal system, or Communism, or Christianity, for that matter, you could say is good - and that it is the people who keep them from working properly.
I believe, a good system is one that takes into account the weaknesses of the people, considers its deficiencies, and thus keep risks low, not one that blames the people for not being able to make it work.
(December 13, 2016 at 6:59 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: You do realise that in all those examples you've given democracy's taken such a beating over the years (or never really existed, like in your Romania) that the forces of autocracy found themselves pushing at an open door.
It's not the failure of democracy is at fault, but the failure to either implement or protect democracy.
@mihoda
> In a democracy we get a legitimate government that derives its consent from the governed.
That's another way to say: When the people take to the streets because they've had enough of being taken advantage of and living miserable lives, just ask the President to quit, put another charlatan in power, one who blithely promises to give them everything, and you've solved the problem. No real change needed.