RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 22, 2017 at 5:22 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2017 at 5:50 pm by Whateverist.)
(January 22, 2017 at 1:31 pm)pool the great Wrote:Whateverist Wrote:And just her responsibility? I suppose you think it is incumbent on women to take more precautions against abortion. Both sexes have a sex drive but women alone bare the blame when a sperm makes it to an egg?I literally said, "The moment a woman becomes pregnant she is also responsible for another human being". I didn't say, "The moment a woman becomes pregnant she is solely responsible for the pregnancy". I have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote: If I'm correct in remembering that you identify as gay your stance here seems rather facile.
Ah yes, the identity politics. Well listen here then, I also identify as a 20 time Olympic gold medalist sex god, my pronouns are "Oh yeah daddy" and "Just like that daddy".
No problem with any of that except so far as joining in the chorus of male voices opining what a woman should do with her body. At that I don't think you've been as strident as some. Would just love to hear you say it is and should be every woman's call.
(January 22, 2017 at 3:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(January 22, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Whateverist Wrote: True, but that they exist at all is evidence that they matter to someone, someone like us who supports and loves them. Therefore we have to extend to them the same consideration we do to others like ourselves, just as we expect them to do toward our loved ones.
You're saying the only reason babies and the mentally handicapped deserve the same considerations as ourselves (the right to life) is if they "matter" to someone more worthy. Shouldn't the fact that they are innocent human beings be enough?
That sounds incredibly cruel. And I don't mean that in a personally insulting way to you, as I know you're not a cruel person. But that just sounded really really bad. You're basically saying they are inherently lesser than us.
I'm just trying to make an ethics argument. I see ethics as revolving around enlightened self interest, not objective values or inalienable rights. So I think a good case can be made along these lines for the good treatment of the helpless among us.
Realistically one would have to be cruel and unreflective to wish to hurt anything on account of its being helpless. But a woman who wants an abortion doesn't desire to hurt the fetus. I'm sure in the great majority of cases it is the least bad (though still bad) choice available under unfortunate circumstances. In such cases I think the mother is the only one in a rightful position to speak for the helpless fetus inside her. If in her estimation the fetus must go I think (as you know) that is her call and no abstract argument regarding the ethics of human interactions can trump it.
(January 22, 2017 at 2:05 pm)Aegon Wrote:(January 22, 2017 at 1:32 pm)A Theist Wrote: I would like to see the elimination of abortion on demand, severely restricted to only those cases involving rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Even in those cases restrictions to charges of rape and incest, measures to interrupt the pregnancy need to be done within the first week of the offense. I also want to see the total federal defunding of Planned Parenthood.
You realize, contrary to the narrative in the conservative echo chamber you like to spend so much time in, Planned Parenthood does a hell of a lot for women's health services aside from abortion, right? STD testing and treatments, cancer screenings, contraceptive services. IIRC, abortion services account for less than 3 percent of their annual spending.
Right in addition to seeing to the health of the procreative facilities of the species. These just happen to be centered in just the female. Perhaps we as a whole do owe some concern for that. I wonder if A_T thinks women who get aboritions for personal reasons which he is unable to respect should be punished. If so, should it be corporal, financial or perhaps involve incarceration?
(January 22, 2017 at 2:05 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(January 22, 2017 at 1:32 pm)A Theist Wrote: I would like to see the elimination of abortion on demand, severely restricted to only those cases involving rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Even in those cases restrictions to charges of rape and incest, measures to interrupt the pregnancy need to be done within the first week of the offense. I also want to see the total federal defunding of Planned Parenthood.
Defunding planned parenthood? Fuck you. And, gross.
Also:
The first week? What exactly are you talking about? As in, two weeks prior to ovulation, before the woman even conceives? Or, as in one week after conception when it's impossible to get a positive pregnancy test because implantation hasn't even occurred yet? Lol. Zip up your fly; you're ignorance regarding human reproductive biology is showing. Me thinks you need to sit in on a few women's health courses before weighing in on this matter.
I think, like Trump, he basically sees you and every other woman of breeding age as community owned farm land. How dare you question the rightness of bringing to bear the fruit of the seed some man has seen fit to plant in you?
