Can something come from nothing

[robvalue]

I had no idea anyone was inciting violence. That is absolutely awful to hear. Whoever they are, shame on them. How cowardly. If I had of known, I wouldn't keep using your name. I just assumed it was a change for the sake of it. I won't mention your name anymore.

Anyhow. I wonder if you've ever approached a logic expert/professor/teacher and discussed the 5 ways?

The thing is, I don't need the argument to fail. I don't care whether it works or not. It makes no difference to me. If there's some "first cause", I don't give a shit. It makes no practical difference. Even if it's the "Biblical God", I still couldn't care less. I'm a mere peon, and if it's threatening me into compliance, it's laughable to think there's anything I can do about it. So I'll just tell it to fuck off, and ignore it. If it's not threatening me, then good. I'll ignore it. As it happens, it appears to be doing absolutely nothing so I can't do much else but ignore it.

If this thing wants to come communicate with me in a sensible way, I'm all for that. It doesn't have to be worship and mystery.

Anyhow. I take reality as I find it. I follow the evidence to the most reasonable conclusions. I'm afraid that it appears that you need these arguments to work, because your world would fall apart without them. You'd have to face the fact that you've been talking to absolutely nothing for years on end. That's a big deal. So you seem to spend huge amounts of efforts confirming that which you already believe by guarding these arguments, and looking for more ways to justify it. It also seems to me you are more than adequately intelligent to be able to see the very basic flaws in these arguments, so I can only assume it's this need which is clouding your judgement. They aren't even hidden flaws; they are like warm-up exercises for spotting logical fallacies.

That's just my take. Things seem radically different from the outside. I shall leave you alone now. I hope whatever threat there was is now over with.