Working backwards.

[Mystic]

I do hope MK will reply to Atlas, this promises to be far more informative than most exchanges...

If he wants to have a debate about Shiism vs his go Quran alone approach, I would.   But this thread has nothing to do with that topic, nor did he present any compelling case against Twelver Shiism which is the sacred religion of submission of all times, but just manifests a disease of those trying to separate the family of the reminder from the reminder itself.

The family of Abraham, the family of Noah, the family of Moses and Aeron, and the family of Yaseen are in Quran.  He wishes to emphasize God revealed books, sure, but those books all emphasized God appointed Leaders and Guides with those books.

He wishes to say those books are God's direct guidance, I agree, but those books also nominate the Captains that sail the boat of salvation, that is by the name of God in it's sailing and anchoring.

I can have a serious discussion on this issue.  Ali is central to understanding Quran. I truly believe in that.

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Working backwards is fine if you have something solid to work backwards from.  For instance, if someone gives me a box, I can take it apart, and see how many parts it has, how they were fitted together, and so forth.  If it was a poorly made box, though, all I'll learn is how to make a poorly made box.

This is true. If God exists and has revealed a book and appointed guides, those would be a solid thing to work backward from. If he doesn't exist, then no harm, no foul.  You will realize there is no case for him from himself in a revealed book or intermediates teaching on his behalf.
And if he exists and didn't reveal a book, no harm no foul.
However, if he exists and did reveal a book,  and you choose to not even give an ear to listen to his words because there happens to exist a bunch of false religions..well then that's just sad.

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How's the schooling going MK?
I hope all is good for you....

School is going very well. 
Thanks for asking!

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Sorry, to lazy to read. Are we reverse engineering a god now?

More like reverse engineering how we approach finding proofs of God's existence. But sure, you can say that.

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Sorry, to lazy to read. Are we reverse engineering a god now?

More like reverse engineering how we approach finding proofs of God's existence. But sure, you can say that.

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The reason is as follow if there is a religion that is true, they would have evidence for the truth.

This doesn't follow.

And if God is central to the truth of the faith,  the best arguments would for his existence would be found in that religion.

This doesn't follow either.

Did you ever study the issue of implicit premises?

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The reason is as follow if there is a religion that is true, they would have evidence for the truth.

This doesn't follow.

And if God is central to the truth of the faith,  the best arguments would for his existence would be found in that religion.

This doesn't follow either.

Did you ever study the issue of implicit premises?

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Another argument is as follows: Who best to prove his existence and explain our purpose than the Creator himself.

Okay.  Kindly ask your god to drop by my home at its earliest convenience.  I do not consider scriptures or religions to be evidence, so it must be an in-person, face-to-face visit.  This is not negotiable; it is the only thing that I consider acceptable evidence for the existence of god-like beings.

You know if a holy book claiming to be from God didn't bring this exact objection of yours and had a whole response to it in an eloquent manner, with a repeated theme, from multiple angles,  I would not believe it's from God.

You are not the first nor will be the last that brings this non-negotiable criterion on God.  The sad thing is you believe this is a source of some sort of honor to you.