Working backwards.

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I do hope MK will reply to Atlas, this promises to be far more informative than most exchanges...

If he wants to have a debate about Shiism vs his go Quran alone approach, I would.   But this thread has nothing to do with that topic, nor did he present any compelling case against Twelver Shiism which is the sacred religion of submission of all times, but just manifests a disease of those trying to separate the family of the reminder from the reminder itself.

The family of Abraham, the family of Noah, the family of Moses and Aeron, and the family of Yaseen are in Quran.  He wishes to emphasize God revealed books, sure, but those books all emphasized God appointed Leaders and Guides with those books.

He wishes to say those books are God's direct guidance, I agree, but those books also nominate the Captains that sail the boat of salvation, that is by the name of God in it's sailing and anchoring.

I can have a serious discussion on this issue.  Ali is central to understanding Quran. I truly believe in that.

No no no, I don't do "duels" with missionaries. Instead of discussing ideas, you force me into a corner that lengthen the time of the discussion, until I'm tired enough. 

Then you get your victory that makes you feel better about yourself. Isn't that what all missionaries do?

Instead; just keep it short: I don't have the health nor do I have the tendency to waste my time over child play; and cheap tricks that make others feel good about themselves. You're not my girlfriend.

So....keep it short.

Do you have anything other than preaching to a medieval Arab family, that is composed of:

-Prophet Mohammed
-His cousin; Ali
-Ali's son
-Ali's grand kids

Preaching like in telling me to "shut up" and follow? like a goat?
You see? the debate ended before it even starts.

In the Middle East, religious schools also finished debating, and so guns were risen, bombs were thrown, before that swords were waved.
Instead of wasting my time on walls of text you call debate, tell me the bloody history of your cult:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Camel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Siffin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazid_I

So much history. 
Anything? keep it short. 

Now; I will predict the future:

1- I dodged your sniper shot at me, in your debate shooting attempt; so you will do a small propaganda cassette that says I quit against your courage and Ali-induced will and logic.
2- The family of Mohammed halped you.



 

It's like..no !