(March 1, 2017 at 10:22 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(March 1, 2017 at 7:53 am)SteveII Wrote: Inductively, to escape the logical absurdity that physical matter always existed, what we are left with as an explanation is a non-physical, timeless, un-caused, force that was powerful enough to bring matter into existence out of nothing.
The problem that I see constantly here is that most of you are missing the fact that the case for God is a cumulative case. No one thing is meant to be the defining argument. Here is just the list from Natural Theology (as opposed to revealed theology in the Bible or personal experience in people's lives)
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
So you're basically redefining terms like "best" and "explanation".
No, this is simply a list of the top 5 Natural Theology arguments that I believe conclude that "God is the best explanation for...". While I think the arguments are sound, since atheism and it's attendant Naturalism does not have any explanation, I'm afraid the bar is not set very high as to best.
If you want to talk about a particular argument, start a new thread. I will participate.
