(April 26, 2017 at 9:36 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:(April 26, 2017 at 9:17 pm)Manga Wrote: but wouldn't you say that the amount of people who were able to accurately report what happened in the hospitals while they were in trouble counts as carefully controlled evidence?Of course not, a controlled experiment is set up beforehand, not based on what someone said afterwards. How do we know that person didn't see a pink cloth before (or after) surgery was performed on them? We have nobodies word but their own. That's not controlled. Being able to pick 1 out of 3 doctors? Not exactly amazing, maybe they knew which one was the surgeon or maybe we don't hear about the 2 out of 3 people who were wrong in their pick. None of that is controlled. They are like the worlds shittiest magic tricks that you use on a small child. A controlled experiment is set up before hand with circumstances that we know the subject isn't privy to. This has been done before with NDEs. It was called the AWARE project and they placed easy to identify images on top of high shelves that would only be visible to an out of body experience. Surprise surprise, not a single one of the NDE people identified the images. You can read about it here: http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/10/aw...ter-death/
What's most likely happening with NDE is a release of DMT in the brain, known to cause vivid hallucinations and be released during times of extreme trauma. It's certainly more plausible then something supernatural, especially when the proof is saying that there is a pink cloth or picking 1 out of 3 correctly.
I have to say, that is an interesting article. Interesting how out of over 2000 potential experiences, Dr. Parnia only found one that could have potentially pointed to anything. That was the one experience I was actually talking about in my question. I wonder how Dr. Long got so many cases then, and how Dr. Van Lommel got so many, from fewer patients. I think that from this it would make sense that OBEs are in the mind, I'm just wondering how on earth some of these patients can recall certain things with such accuracy. I have read many cases, many seem so compelling. I wonder, is it possible in your opinion that Dr. Long could be wrong that waking from anesthesia during an NDE would be painful? Maybe many people do and then they can still pick things up around them through sound, where their brain generates it into a picture? I'm not sure exactly.
