The undeniable miracle at Fatima

[Mister Agenda]

I've already addressed this in a previous post. The author claims that from his research, the miracle was visible within a 600 square mile area. Testimonials show that everyone who was there that day saw it. There are no testimonials of people who were on the spot who said they saw nothing. Reading other testimonials confirms this. Remember, THOUSANDS of pages of testimonials were reviewed by the Catholic Church over 13 years. And as I already mentioned, the book I mentioned gives many examples of people that were NOT believers and who went to the site to mock the whole idea. They left as believers. You should really get the book because everything you are saying is covered in it.

It was a local phenomenon. The sun is not a local phenomenon. No matter what those people saw, the sun didn't actually move, nor did the earth magically and safely wobble so much that the sun appeared to move.

Even with a supernatural cause, all you've got is a mass vision; something people were perceiving that wasn't actually happening.

And there are lots of natural explanations for people, even in a group, seeing something that isn't actually happening.

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BS, there is no law in real estate about ghosts.

However, the courts have ruled that if a seller is aware that the property has a reputation for being haunted, that is a fact germane to the buyer's decision that must be disclosed. The ruling isn't that ghosts are real, just that if the seller knows that a property has that reputation, it's both part of their disclosure responsibility and something that a building inspection won't turn up.

There was a relevant case in 1990 known as the 'Ghostbuster Case'. There was evidence that the seller was the source of the rumors that the house was haunted, so he was in a pickle when it came to claiming he didn't know it was haunted.

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I read your responses. The animosity in this forum is over the top.....really bizarre.

When have you EVER seen a debate where the first candidate states something he thinks is true, and the second candidate replies, "Shut the $%^& up you @#$%"?

This is the actual content of the first reply to your OP, from Min: "Bullshit from the word "go." Designed to fool morons."

Maybe the animosity you detect is because you're a lying sack of crap.

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Bottom line on Fatima: if NOTHING at all happened in Fatima in 1917, then the newspapers wrote articles about it for nothing, and the people submitted thousands of testimonials to the Church for nothing, and the Church ran an investigation for 13 years for nothing, and made an announcement in 1930 approving of the incident for nothing. The writing is on the wall guys.

Speaking of you being a lying sack of crap, none of us have claimed that NOTHING at all happened in Fatima in 1917. The general consensus it that it was a local phenomena where a lot of people claimed to have seen something that didn't actually happen, probably due to a combination of atmospheric conditions, the effect of looking directly at the sun for too long, and a strong desire to witness the miracle other people said they were seeing.