(August 11, 2017 at 3:02 pm)pabsta Wrote:(August 10, 2017 at 6:00 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The phenomenon certainly is NOT confined to Catholics. There are obvious natural explanations, including secret mummification, which the RCC has been known to do; and climate and soil conditions.
There are hundreds of naturally well-preserved human corpses in the world, if not thousands. Scientists seem not to have gotten the memo that they defy science at all, let alone completely.
Mr. Agenda,
You have obviously done ZERO research on incorruptibles. Preserved bodies discovered over the centuries fall under 2 categories: accidentally preserved (i.e. through radioactivity or being buried in sand) or intentionally preserved (through some type of embalming). In BOTH cases, these bodies are dark brown, distorted, rigid, shriveled up like a piece of jerky, and have a bad odor as you would expect. The examples you give fall under one of these two categories.
The incorruptibles on the other hand do not fall under either category - they are not embalmed. Yet they are LIFELIKE, flexible, have flowing blood, and don't have a bad odor. This after years or even centuries underground, and even buried in proximity to other bodies that are not incorrupt. Every time one of these incorruptibles has been found, it has been determined that person was a devout Catholic. If you disagree with me, show me even ONE photo of a lifelike incorruptible that is not a Catholic. You will not find one.
(August 10, 2017 at 7:17 pm)ohreally Wrote: I can't speak for everyone but I'm not saying there was a string of coincidences. Watch the video I posted, people are already convinced at what is going to happen and you can't tell them otherwise.
As Catholic lady stated, the people who arrived in Fatima that day were only told that a miracle would happen "to make the people believe". They had no idea it had anything to do with the sun. So they obviously weren't "already convinced on what was going to happen".
(August 10, 2017 at 8:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Maybe I missed this thread, but the so-called "miracle" was LATE, by 20 minutes or so! It had been raining all morning, and around 1:30 local time, people started getting antsy. Lucia, seeing the clouds starting to clear, started screaming, "Look at the Sun, look at the Sun!!!" The crowd complied, and they saw what they wanted to see; HOWEVER, some individuals there, believers included, disavowed any supernatural occurrences of any kind!!
So if the miracle happened at 12 noon you would believe it, but if it happened at 12:20 that invalidates all the testimonials and we can disregard the whole thing? You crack me up.
"They saw what they wanted to see"? As previously posted, no one knew what was going to happen that day - they were just told it would be a miracle. Funny, all the testimonials agree the same thing happened!
And there we have another baseless claim that some people there didn't see anything. The testimonials say the opposite.
Yep, and people were "expecting" something to happen at 12pm Portugal time, not at solar noon (which was at 1pm).
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