RE: Another mass shooting.....
November 6, 2017 at 4:55 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2017 at 5:53 am by WinterHold.)
(November 5, 2017 at 10:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 10:45 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: My heart does fall for the dead.
But I must say: where is the hypocrite terrorist accusation that so many throw when the killer is brown?
Isn't this dog a terrorist? or is he treated better just because he's a non-Muslim?
This is terrorism, carried out of inferiority complexes for the sake of satisfying sick, who knows what brain farts; mad thoughts; just like brown killers.
Why isn't this labeled as a terrorist attack?
Just why?
Killers like this guy are promoted in the U.S army if they join, and considered heroes when they kill brown Muslim people.
The poor Christian dead, are just like the Vegas dead; like brown dead: victims of terrorism.
Gun manufacturers are the terrorists. Without these guns, these huge casualties won't happen. The Sauds won't have bombs to bomb; the Vegas shooter won't have ammo to load.
Atlass, don't lump everyone here into the same camp.
Many of us have for a long time pointed out that the VAST MAJORITY of mass shooters in America are NOT Muslim.
We constantly point that out when these things happen.
But lets be fair here. It isn't like the middle east doesn't have it's own problems, and it isn't like they don't have a MINORITY of individuals that try to spread Koran justified violence outside the middle east, they do.
I don't think Christians or Muslims or Jews as laypeople, understand that the global weapons industry and war are profitable. I do think that greedy people in all camps see violence and war and weapons as a way to make money. Use political, economic and religious ideology as a weapon, and you can pit humans against each other and make money off of it.
The west got to where it is now after shedding of blood that was enough to clear whole continents off their native people. Just yesterday, it also caused a world war (two actually) that killed millions. I just point to imagine: how would it look like if the west was Islamic instead? I imagine a very different media, a very different views, a very different headlines, a very different "standard" for terrorism.
I'm not putting you in the same basket; Brian. But bullets are not just made of lead: the majority of ammo is made of words.
When a Muslim kills, the bias and despise show in the structure of the headlines, they look so different than this one. So so different.
I respect the dead. But this hurts so bad, because the bias in coverage just bleeds the heart.
(November 5, 2017 at 11:03 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 10:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Write terrorist in google images.
This is what you get.
A terrorist is a brown man with a suicide vest, AK-47 and a Quran. This is the legacy of the war on terror propaganda, and what the world sees.
There is no blonde terrorists. There is no westerner terrorists.
Please don't ignore my last post.
Yes white Europeans and white Americans CAN BE TERRORISTS AS WELL.
Google, Dillon Roof, Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh.
Nobody should be saying "Only Muslims do it". But between the east and west, the west is far more open as far s rights. I am NOT proud of the fact that our right wing wants to become a Christian theocracy here.
I hate Trump and I hate our religious right wing too. But that still would not justify either's side of religiously justified violence.
You are a good guy Brian.
But the propaganda always seems to win no matter what. Governments and businessmen drop the bombs already in Iraq and Afghanistan, and support hordes of criminals with the same arms America is bleeding because.
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(November 5, 2017 at 11:16 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 10:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: There is no westerner terrorists.
Timothy McVeigh:
Fuck off, Atlas.
3 Times in the last decade; Americans by a majority chose (willingly) Bush and Trump,
So please, take a plate, poop in it, eat it, repeat.
Just bite, chew, swallow. Shit tastes good, not my cup of poop but hey.
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(November 5, 2017 at 11:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Atlas, you're looking for issues where there aren't any. A ton of innocent people and children just died. This isn't really the time to be trying to make yourself a victim.
Seriously, CL?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta...war_crimes
Quote:Human Rights Watch claimed in 2005 that the principle of "command responsibility" could make high-ranking officials within the Bush administration guilty of the numerous war crimes committed during the War on Terror, either with their knowledge or by persons under their control.[60]
I should ignore Human Rights Watch and believe you instead; right? and find a bomb burning me to crisp next day because a redneck wanted to increase his wealth.
No; the people who killed these Christians, are the same rednecks who manufactured weapons and caused the invasion of Iraq, I'm not victimizing myself, others do that but not me; I am spot on and what I say is so clear:
When Muslims are killed nobody talked, because war on terror brings lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$. To make that market springing, racism and xenophobia must be sky-high. The people who died in the Church are just a side effect for the wheel of war economy. It's bigger than me; CL. And you. and quite lots of people.
What I find disrespectful, is how the fallen gets ignored when they are Muslims to keep the wheel fed.
(November 5, 2017 at 11:28 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 10:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Write terrorist in google images.
This is what you get.
A terrorist is a brown man with a suicide vest, AK-47 and a Quran. This is the legacy of the war on terror propaganda, and what the world sees.
There is no blonde terrorists. There is no westerner terrorists.
There are some Westerners who will tell you that only Muslims (or, potentially, atheists) can be terrorists.
Those are likely to be conservatives of the white persuasion (certainly not all conservatives or exclusively conservatives, of course).
White terrorist?
That prick in Norway who slaughtered the kids.
Timothy McVeigh (and others of his ilk).
Those "militia" arseholes who occupied some government land in the US a couple of years back.
The KKK.
The "pro life" mother fuckers who kill doctors/medical workers, and blow up clinics.
The IRA.
There are plenty of others.
While the general definition of a terrorist is provided above, I don't entirely agree with the definition.
But, whatever way you look at it, this arsehole and those cowards like him are vermin.
Simple as that, as far as I'm concerned.
Stereotyping is one thing I despise; people will always differ from one the next; so yes it's about personal view, but I still see that many chose to side with the stereotype in defining what others are. If you side with this opinion, masses of other people don't; and they make soldiers in the different clashing armies around the world. The good are so few.
I doubt that the millions that voted Trump hold your opinion. I doubt that the majority of Muslims hold your opinion, too.
I'm not bashing westerners with my comments and posts. I'm bashing the Hippocratic double standards that many Muslims and non-Muslims adapt.
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(November 5, 2017 at 11:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Ssshhh, all of you.
Have you no respect for the profits of the gun industry?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i...n-violence
Quote:1,516 mass shootings in 1,735 days: America's gun crisis – in one chart
Not including today.
This is it ! Youtube already has videos of so many consumable firearms that look like advertising more than a fanmade stuff.
(November 5, 2017 at 11:29 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Also, don't forget that Saudi Arabia has listed atheists as "terrorists".
Just an excuse to throw resistance in prisons.
(November 5, 2017 at 11:34 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 10:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: There is no westerner terrorists.
Really? Here is an actual road sign
Yes, that is genuine. Yes I have driven past it many times and yes it means exactly what it says. The Barrett 50 was the weapon of choice. Do not even attempt to pretend that western terrorism does not exist.
I want to post the aftermath of .50CAL ammo fired against civilians, but I'm afraid from getting banned.
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(November 5, 2017 at 11:59 pm)Hammy Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 10:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Write terrorist in google images.
This is what you get.
A terrorist is a brown man with a suicide vest, AK-47 and a Quran. This is the legacy of the war on terror propaganda, and what the world sees.
There is no blonde terrorists. There is no westerner terrorists.
Taken literally this is patently false.
I assume you meant "This is the way terrorism is often misrepresented as exclusively being:[...]" yes?
I wish.
See the video of the brave American veteran I posted to CL
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(November 6, 2017 at 12:10 am)Tres Leches Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 10:50 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: A terrorist is someone with a political motive.
Sad to say, I'm a bit more terrified of American crazies loaded to the teeth with weapons and ammo and who watch Infowars on a constant loop than I am of some brown people with religious (not political) beliefs.
-Teresa
One thing: religious derived terrorists can be easily controlled and fought because their beliefs are very crazy; even to other religious people.
For example; Al-Qaeda and ISIS jihadists usually get reported, arrested/ terminated before they strike. Without automatic weapons (sold by America and Russia and China) and bombs, they won't make a noticeable effect. Look at ISIS. Their "outlaw state" didn't even completed half a decade.
While the American army has AC-130 and Silver Bullets, and rightist racists literally have what it takes to become presidents of nuclear states.
(November 6, 2017 at 2:28 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 10:45 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: My heart does fall for the dead.Shooting up a church is a federal felony, so it's like terrorism.
But I must say: where is the hypocrite terrorist accusation that so many throw when the killer is brown?
Isn't this dog a terrorist? or is he treated better just because he's a non-Muslim?
This is terrorism, carried out of inferiority complexes for the sake of satisfying sick, who knows what brain farts; mad thoughts; just like brown killers.
Why isn't this labeled as a terrorist attack?
Just why?
Killers like this guy are promoted in the U.S army if they join, and considered heroes when they kill brown Muslim people.
The poor Christian dead, are just like the Vegas dead; like brown dead: victims of terrorism.
Gun manufacturers are the terrorists. Without these guns, these huge casualties won't happen. The Sauds won't have bombs to bomb; the Vegas shooter won't have ammo to load.
(November 5, 2017 at 11:29 pm)tjakey Wrote: Actually, it is the kind of country we live in. Much of the world figured this out a long time ago.
This is America where people have used violence to settle disagreements since 1620. It's our culture and we love it. Right now our President is threatening to nuke North Korea unless it kisses his ass.
OK,keep your violence where it belongs and don't bring it to my home.