Admitting You're a Sinner

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't even care that magic book said it.  Ask two christians what magic book says and you'll get three opinions.  Steve told us that with-christianity the desire to do the right thing to the best of our abilities manifests itself.  Except when it doesn't, which is most of the time. 

-and yet it's manifesting itself all over the fucking place in we lowly heathens, or was always there.

In addition to these fruits (as it were), steve has told us that the difference between a christian and an atheist, morally, is that the christian has a set of rules that they must follow as part of their worldview.  OFC that's not a difference between christians and atheists at all.  Most of the time the two lists of specific rules are entirely the same things between christians and atheists.  It's almost as if all the things steve believes about his silly beliefs are silly.  I think he needs to drop the cultural christianity and find some fuckin jesus, like Tolstoy did.

Assertion, opinion, assertion, opinion.

Your assertions, your opinions..yes.  You asserted that there were fruits indicative of salvation.  You asserted that most "christians" don't have these fruits.  You asserted that deontological ethics were somehow different from....deontological ethics. It;s your opinion that most people are trash human beings in need of a change of heart.

How about evidence:

Religious people give more money to charities.

That's not evidence for any of your assertions.. it's evidence -directly -against- them.  If "christians" are more x y or moral z...it doesn't matter what you want to refer to here...then wouldn't that mean the "christians" have the fruits and don;t need a change of heart, including all the cultural christrians and hertics like Tolstoy? People whose charity you'll gladly claim even as you deny their christian beliefs and basic human decency?

Hey guess what...lol....atheists also have the fruit of charity.

Religious people volunteer more time.

The amount of people who do not attend services and give their time in your little quotemine exceeds the percentage of the populace that identifies as atheist. If this is supposed to be representative of a difference between atheists and believers...it falls, because 25% of your pie comes from 13% of the population.

Seems like a person's worldview does impact his/her actions. Hmm. 

If you'd like to walk back every ignorant thing you've said and lead off with that, instead.... I don't see why anyone would disagree.