Question to theists

[Drich]

Kinda the point. Jesus if you followed his life was very anti religious.

The "point" of all of this is to have direct contact with God. free from the 'responsibilities of morality.' 'morality' being a substitute for the atonement God offers.

But why atone?  Why not just strive to do good?  It's not as if one can undo things that are already done; all you can really do is do things differently.

I also don't see responsibilities as something that one must free oneself from.  I view them more as ways of being, rather than something external that gets attached to us.

Because what is good?

"Good" is the measure of the law pop culture says it wants to keep. So in 1930's germany "good" was a citizen of the blonde hair blue eye persuasion turning over jews to bein in turned in ghettos and later concentration camps and eventually the gas chambers.. 

This is 'good' and anyone who blindly accepts that our pop culture is better and can not object to anything we do now as not being 'good' would be in the same position in 1930's germany. because they too were caught up in the 'morality' the culture provided to the point they even separated from the church and hitler became their religious leader, or rather the minister of religion did who answered to hitler.

Do you understand what I am saying? from with in the culture you have no way of being objective. your "right and wrong" is right for the moment and wrong for the moment. That said, who's to say when you judge someone right, good or moral they are not someone else's evil incarnate?
Use to be it was always wrong to kill a child. there was never an excuse to kill a baby. Now it is immoral to tell a woman she can't kill her child. All she need do is agree to call it a fetus (latin for baby) and it ceases being a human child and she then can have it pulled apart in her womb with a vacuum.

again if you in this culture can not see anything wrong here you can count yourself among those i 1930s germany who bought the very same type of propaganda where all the society need do was dehumanize the people they wanted to kill. once they were not human/baby and became a thing/fetus/retarded/jew it became one's obligation to see those human roaches destroyed!

So why not good? because good is not a thing. good is compermise from the perfection that is mandated.. God demand perfection to enter heaven and KNOWS we can't obtain it, so rather than allow 'good' to be enough (good being an ever downward sliding scale) he demanded we humble ourselves just enough to admit that 'good' is garbage. and accept forgiveness which then makes an allowance for Good.

Because without this admission of guilt 'good' is a time bomb that will eventually allow all evil. meaning at some point if a culture lives long enough 'all evil' will eventually be moral. when we accept God's atonement we maintain or keep God's perfect standard as our guide posts which demandes a high level of 'good' to be striven for.

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You know....Drich, you talk alot of shit about your betters for such a tiny asshole, lol.    Get your daddy on the phone, we need to have words about how he;s raising you up.

Again sport how do you know whether or not your 'talking to daddy or not?" You have no point of reference. you never heard his voice, you never accepted anything He has said to this point, so then how do you know who you are speaking with?

my daddy isn't going to put on the clown suit you pretend god must wear. my daddy will or rather has spoken to you as He is but you are too stupid to know his voice, because you are too busy looking in the sky for your daddy.

Your like Jim carry in bruce almighty look for a great cosmic figure, but does realize the janitor was the man He was looking for

Or luke looking for the jedi master but to wrapped up in his own idea of what a jedi is to speak to yoda..

you would not know who God was if he spoke to you or has been speaking to you for years. why? because you are too proud to admit the ideas you have about God as sooo wrong, God is not willing to support your bs as it would cripply spiritually for the rest of your life.

You want to hear God go read something that would teach you to recognise his voice his words!