3 simple points to end the discussion with any atheist

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1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

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Atlass, -please, this is not a new or original argument nor is it solely made by Muslims.

No, there is no design in all this. We are not the products of a cosmic factory owner. We are the product of mere nature and processes.

But if you really want to go there, I will say the same thing I do when Christians use the design argument.

Cockroaches and bacteria are also living things. They also can carry very deadly diseases that can kill humans. They also outnumber humans and have been around longer than humans. Still want to claim "design"?

Humans share the same eating breathing tube and we can choke on our food and die. Whales and dolphins do not have that problem. And as far as whales, some species of whales still have residual bones left over from when they had legs. Whales started out in water, went to land for a while, then back to water.

A Giraffe has a nerve that starts at one ear, goes all the way down their neck, then all the way back up to the other ear. Seems a waste knowing the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

And are birth defects like Downs Syndrome by "design" too?

Life was not a product of a sky wizard, anymore than lightening is a product of Thor.

Atlass, what you are needlessly mentally doing to yourself trying to defend old mythology is you are confusing "pretty" in life as all there is to life.

I also see amazing things in life too. But there are also nasty things in life too. The only difference between the theist and the atheist is that we don't assign the good or bad in life to old mythology and fictional beings.

Creation mythology is far older than Islam, Christianity and Jewish traditions.

I would say that the birth defects are only to show a "what if" scenario; how life would be a living hell if God wanted so.

I was born with multiple sclerosis, but I remember the times I was healthy quite good: they were yesterday. If I didn't get sick, I wouldn't had known that God is capable of everything: he is capable of giving one health, and giving one sickness.

In his nature the example is implicitly there: the day/ night cycles are one of the examples.

Life would not fit together without and intelligent design that gave precedence to events.

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1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

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3-Why do we have consciousness?

1.  As an atheist, I am not embarrassed to discuss the "design" of the universe.  You are assuming God did it, which means you think the consciousness of a God must be behind apparent design.  But science already understands why this is not the case.  The apparent design of the universe was created by various foryms of non-intelligent, material self-organization: stellar evolution, chemistry, abiogenesis, biological evolution, and so on.  We haven't nailed down all the details, but the details we do understand support strictly materialistic explanations for apparent design.

The embarrassment is in "claiming the very huge claim" that things came to be because "they just came to be".
I'm a programmer. Nobody will ever convince me that anything starts from the void of nothingness, such claim is utterly ignorant for me: even to cavemen:there's no smoke without fire.
God is your base-case; the first and the last point for the self-invoking function: i.e us.

3.  Again, you are likely defining consciousness as some separate substance rather than as something which can be explained materially.  However, scientists already know that the mind is brain-dependent.  Consciousness is awareness filtered through a self-concept, and the self-concept is a symbolic construct.  The body, and specifically the brain, is what is conscious -- not some free-floating, spiritual self.  Assuming some spirit behind consciousness is reifying the self-concept.

The reason why you think both of these points are show-stoppers for atheists is because you define both "design" and "consciousness" differently than we do.  To you, the God-concept is embedded in your assumptions about both.  Atheists don't share your assumptions.

No, consciousness is triggered by the brain, and if its origin in the brain got damaged; we "lose consciousness"; hence the name. Even a kid knows how to target the human "consciousness" from watching Tom and Jerry: when Jerry hits Tom with the broom.
The question is why the brain rigged like this; the member "Mathilda" said that we evolved to be conscious due to the need of hunting; and her opinion seemed decent -but not totally-.
It's all electricity in the head. But what made that electricity behave that way? or rather "whom"???