RE: If theists understood "evidence"
October 8, 2018 at 11:57 am
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2018 at 12:02 pm by onlinebiker.)
(October 8, 2018 at 11:12 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(October 8, 2018 at 10:54 am)Jehanne Wrote: What evidence exists for the Christian faith? Please pick your "top 3" items.
Well, you have the witness testimony, as well as philosophical arguments such as the ontological argument, the moral argument (the argument from good), also, inductive arguments from the observation of nature, such as the fine tuning arguments. There are also more which I'm sure you have heard of. Which is why I think that atheists are some mix of dishonest and delusional, if they are saying that Christians don't give evidence and reason for their belief. Sometimes they may be evident of different things or aspectdifferent things). They become hyper skeptical and irrational when it comes to God, employing double standards and sophism. Most don't deal with the subject with much intellectual honesty.
(October 8, 2018 at 10:59 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Exactly - a story isn't EVIDENCE. It needs to be verified by facts.
Referring back to the story ( it' s in the Bible) as confirmational evidence - or simply by how convincing the teller sounds - isn't evidence.
Cosby's case has nothing to do with anythIng we are talking about --- but I will play ---
Normally you might have something -- but the testimony that buried him was his own. In the 2005-2006 civil case against him - Mr Cosby admitted to buying the Quaaludes that he drugged women with.
That' s called cooberating evidence that's rather unimpeachable.
So you don't have any physical evidence of the drugs? Just a story? Did you personally witness this, or are you just furthering hear say?
Do you understand cooberation?
Mr Cosby cooberated testimony against him.
That makes that testimony more likely than a " he said/ she said"situation.
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(October 8, 2018 at 11:41 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:In many - if not most cases - two sides of testimony are not the only choices.(October 8, 2018 at 11:27 am)Jehanne Wrote: So, you accept the fact that Travis Walton was abducted by aliens:
Wikipedia -- Travis Walton UFO incident
Here we go again.....
Perhaps, his testimony is a part of the evidence to consider.
Are you saying that testimony is never evidence? It would seem the the courts, scholars, and most people do not agree with you.
Or we can skip this nonsense, where you have to believe everything that everyone has said, or nothing at all. I think that you look at the evidence, what it says, what evidence can corroborate or contradict it. You know.... apply some of that critical thinking I'm always hearing about here. And not where it just means personal incredulity.
Far too frequently eyewitness testimony contradicts each other. Simply look at Jesus' s last words on dying on the cross --- 3 different versions. Easy in real life - and of course almost mandatory in fiction......