How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

October 11, 2018 at 10:13 am

(October 11, 2018 at 9:48 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 9:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This is actually a slightly different point. I still maintain that freewill cannot exist in light of the biblical God. I'm speaking more to the point of what you claim the Bible has to say about freewill. You have claimed that the Bible insists that human beings are responsible for the choices they make. If there were biblical support that humans are not so responsible, would you accept it?

Boru

Yes, we are responsible for the choices that we make. I am guessing, that you are going to reference God hardening the heart of Pharaoh or something like that. This doesn't mean that it wasn't his choice, was overridden. Also, this would be referencing an instance, where the contrary is implied to be the norm.

I actually had a New Testament reference in mind, but no matter - you've answered the question. Thank you.

Boru

‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson

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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 6:33 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by no one - October 10, 2018 at 6:35 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 6:50 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 7:13 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 7:24 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 8:34 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 9:00 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 5:25 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 7:39 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 8:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 8:45 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 9:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 9:48 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 10:13 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 10:15 am

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