(June 13, 2019 at 8:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(June 13, 2019 at 7:22 pm)Belaqua Wrote: To make this apparent to everyone, I think you'd have to do two things:
1) Address the actual arguments they made, and not the very different Kalam argument, and
2) show why modern science proves that their arguments on this matter are wrong. I've seen metaphysical and ideological arguments against them, but never anything from science.
When someone can describe to me how a thing can act or exist atemporily, I’d be happy to listen.
The same people who can explain why that dead angel is hanging in my basement, who committed suicide after Donald Trump won the 2016 election. And, especially, how do I get rid of the thing? (I have a feeling that the actual motive for their death was due to a Dr. Jill Stein supporter who prayed to the angel, who, mistakenly, offered an atemporal swan sacrifice instead of a white dildo.)