RE: 'Seeking' God
October 30, 2011 at 1:30 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2011 at 1:37 pm by Captain Scarlet.)
(October 30, 2011 at 7:31 am)lucent Wrote: I can indeed answer the problem of the hiddenness of God: He isn't hidden. The existence of God is actually extremely obvious, especially from the design standpoint. The truth of that is displayed in the Creation itself. The incomplete and unworkable explanations science offers does not explain away design. For the specific problem of the hiddenness of Jesus Christ, there are two things to say:Lovely, I'm glad for you he isn't hidden. But merely asserting he isn't when you cannot come up with any evidence or proofs that lead inexorably to that conclusion. If god isn't hidden why are you only able to infer his existence from apparent design in the universe to which there are better more parsimonious natural explanations. The design argument was refuted brilliantly by Hume in the 18th century, since then it's been reheated only with the fine tuning argument; which apart from being an argument for a lack of design is just woeful in it's desperation and formulation. Yield up a design argument if you are confident that this addresses the problem.
(October 30, 2011 at 7:31 am)lucent Wrote: 2 Corinthians 4:4H.C.Anderson; in Fairy tales for children 1837
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.Unbelievers are deceived by the devil and blinded from seeing the truth about the gospel. Note, being deceived means you aren't aware you are deceived: ie, the reality you're looking at seems plausible without Jesus in it.
"One day two swindlers came to the emperor's city. They said that they were weavers, claiming that they knew how to make the finest cloth imaginable. Not only were the colors and the patterns extraordinarily beautiful, but in addition, this material had the amazing property that it was to be invisible to anyone who was incompetent or stupid....."
Quote:2nd, He isn't really hidden either. One of His central claims is this:Good for Jesus! but I'm not sure how this makes Jesus available to all acts of cognition and answers the problem of divine hiddenness.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Quote:Meaning that no matter what you do, you will not find the truth, or God, withoutHow do I know? I use reason to grasp reality around me. In doing so I have yet to find any reason to suggest that the xtian god exists, and that given his divine attributes and theology he should try to make himself known to mankind to 'save' us. He is not present in the natural sciences despite the fact we can see reality at an incredibly small, mid and large scale. There is no empirical evidence. There is no logical proof that stands up to scrutiny. He is said to reside in a realm which we could never find and even if we could that same god is invisible and incorporeal and essence only. We can scan the universe and our own planet and we pick up nothing, no moral radiation, no divine electromagnetism, no godly quantum tunneling, no jesus thermodynamics, no holy ghost evolution, nothing at all. Any scientific experiments on the effects of the supernatural have led to a failure to demonstrate it. The concept of his being is defined only by the projection of secondary attributes, and has no identified primary attribute. I have never had a personal experience (which I am grateful for by the way) and have never had reason to seek one, especially as there is no reason to believe at all. I have never seen an apparition of a dead Jew (again with some relief). For this and so many other reasons god is hidden to me and I do not accept that the truth comes from 'within', so I shan't be looking there either. Don't take my word for it read Mother Theresa's own words in her letters to the Catholic Church. Personally I couldn't stand the woman, but her letters are very sad and painful as she admits she feels nothing and god is hidden to her despite her honest attempts. Now what are we to make of this. The church would say either that person x is not trying hard enough or that their suffering (in trying to find a god and failing) is good because in mimics the suffering of Christ. Just how credulous do you have to be to accept such nonsense? You have an answer to the problem of hiddenness, bring on the evidence!
Him. Now you've stated that you have never gone looking for Him, so I would ask how you would know whether God is hidden or not?
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.