RE: 'Seeking' God
October 31, 2011 at 2:16 am
(This post was last modified: October 31, 2011 at 2:21 am by lucent.)
(October 31, 2011 at 1:54 am)Stimbo Wrote: [Duly submitted to FSTDT.net. It's too good not to share.
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(October 31, 2011 at 1:46 am)lucent Wrote: So now you've established a condition which makes supernatural creation possible, or at the very least plausible, in your model. Fine. Now please explain why this condition could not also apply to the Big Bang model. In other words, this god took advantage of the physical condition you stated to work his magic. Why then could the Big Bang scenario not do likewise?
There was no physical condition. I could find a plausible explanation but we're talking apples and oranges. God is the agency of all the mechanisms. He isn't bound by the laws of the Universe. He created them, and could create new ones if He wanted.
The problem with the BBT is that the Universe went from a state of high entropy into a more highly ordered and complex state, which violates the 2nd rule. Of course the 1st rule is already violated by the singularity. Gods creation starts out with no entropy, or very little.
For anyone who is genuinely interested in the Big Bang model, the story of how it came to be and the great scientists throughout history who paved the way for it, I can recommend no greater work than Big Bang: The Most Important Scientific Discovery of All Time and Why You Need to Know About It by Simon Singh. It manages to walk the reader through the fascinating evolution of all the various theories of cosmology and physics, without being either turgid or condescending.
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Here's a good lecture on the subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esqGaLSWgNc
(October 31, 2011 at 1:59 am)Shell B Wrote: Oh my fucking god. You are literally batshit nuts, aren't you? You think that people who believe other than you talk to demons? You have "seen" demonic possession? I ask you this, have you ever seen photos of an abused, tortured and dead child who died at the hands of an exorcist? Have you ever actually seen a demon kill someone? Have you heard of it outside of unverifiable claims? I have heard of more people being killed by exorcists than demons. Your blanket judgment of all those people reveals who you are. Your bullshit claims to have borne witness to demonic possession make me hope that you do not have children, especially any with mental illness.
Oh, and I don't give a fuck what you think about people's attitude problems. We're not here to hold your hand. You are free to discuss within the confines of the rules. If you don't like it, go circle jerk on a Christian forum. I happen to like many Christians. There are very few that I outright dislike and none of them do I dislike because they are Christian. In every case, it is because they are judgmental, hypocritical, holier-than-thou pricks.
Do you always leap straight to emotionalism? Yes, I do believe that, and my experience confirms it. Apparently you're not as familiar with the bible if this is a shock to you. Perhaps your Christian friends are liberal and don't believe in Satan, but most Christians do.
(October 31, 2011 at 2:04 am)ElDinero Wrote: You fucking idiot, lucent. Get this through your thick head. A Muslim could say the exact same thing about your 'experience'. They could quote scripture just as easily, they could find as much anecdotal evidence, as many quotes supporting their belief as you could yours. From whichever angle you care to come at it, they would KNOW just as much as you that they have the truth, and that you are being deceived, and have just as much evidence to support that assertion as you do. It is spectacular arrogance on YOUR part to say 'Well, I'm right'. It's actually hilarious that you don't understand this point. What a stupid bastard you are.
(October 31, 2011 at 1:46 am)lucent Wrote: i'll have to think about the 1st law..there is also the question about pre fall conditions vs post fall conditions..ill get back to you :p
(October 30, 2011 at 6:03 pm)lucent Wrote: "We're working on it" is not an answer.
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I do understand the point, but if any religion is true, it's obviously only one of them. Your problem is your relativism, so to you its just a hall of mirrors in every direction. There is a truth and you can know what it is. The truth is tangible and can be grasped. That is why Jesus said to build your foundation on rock, instead of the shifting sands of the world system and pagan religions.
