RE: How to beat a presupp at their own game
March 17, 2021 at 6:32 am
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2021 at 6:41 am by Superjock.)
(March 17, 2021 at 5:50 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(March 17, 2021 at 4:10 am)Superjock Wrote: The chat server is filled with presupps and the number one objection for atheism that I hear is what grounds our atheism? What grounds do we have for facts and knowledge? How can we know anything in a godless world?
From their view, God is the foundation of knowledge. It's self-justifying - how do they know? God revealed it through special and divine revelation and therefore they cannot be wrong.
Theists usually use logical fallacies, like the one you mention:
Quote:God is the foundation of knowledge. It's self-justifying - how do they know? God revealed it through special and divine revelation and therefore they cannot be wrong.
That is called circular reasoning. So perhaps the question is how does one argue against logical fallacies? They said "God is the foundation of knowledge" but then which God? There is a God of Mahabharata for instance who also left "divine revelation".
So yeah it is a lot of theist shit (fallacies, lies, and delusions) crammed in few sentences so you first have to dismantle it and Discord perhaps doesn't give you enough room for it.
The God used in particular is the Christian God. Do yourself a favour, later today, join the Reformation channel on Discord and listen to their argument. Either an agnostic or an atheist will chime in and then their argument gets deconstructed. You'll see what I mean.
If anyone wants I can send them an invite link to the Reformation server so they can chime in. Atheists have to have each others backs!
Even if all of this is for entertainment sake.(March 17, 2021 at 5:50 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(March 17, 2021 at 4:10 am)Superjock Wrote: The chat server is filled with presupps and the number one objection for atheism that I hear is what grounds our atheism? What grounds do we have for facts and knowledge? How can we know anything in a godless world?
From their view, God is the foundation of knowledge. It's self-justifying - how do they know? God revealed it through special and divine revelation and therefore they cannot be wrong.
Theists usually use logical fallacies, like the one you mention:
Quote:God is the foundation of knowledge. It's self-justifying - how do they know? God revealed it through special and divine revelation and therefore they cannot be wrong.
That is called circular reasoning. So perhaps the question is how does one argue against logical fallacies? They said "God is the foundation of knowledge" but then which God? There is a God of Mahabharata for instance who also left "divine revelation".
So yeah it is a lot of theist shit (fallacies, lies, and delusions) crammed in few sentences so you first have to dismantle it and Discord perhaps doesn't give you enough room for it.
What I've gathered so far is that you CANNOT overtalk Darth. You MUST let him speak and let him finish. THEN you can ask your questions. But on the face of it, the whole thing is unfair because he is the moderator and can kick you out of the chat if he feels you are being disingenuous. But overtalking him is a sure-fire way to get kicked out.
I listen to this jerk every night (I live in South Africa) but I'm oddly addicted because every time I listen I feel like I might be getting closer to figuring out how to dismantle his argument. I don't feel I'm at that point yet, but I only joined Discord a few days ago.
