RE: How to beat a presupp at their own game
March 17, 2021 at 9:12 am
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2021 at 9:13 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 17, 2021 at 9:00 am)Superjock Wrote: Thanks for your reply! The answer I've heard from Darth is that whatever conforms to the mind of God is knowledge. You can only know that it is true if it conforms to the mind of God. And God has revealed himself through divine and special revelation in such a way that I know it cannot be false. He is also omniscient. This is his justication.Then you can wish him good luck with that foundation of knowledge. Hopefully he finds it productive.
Quote:That is sort of the gist of it. Now Darth will say, sure, you can deny my position, but then how does "insert whatever" from the atheist have any ultimate grounding because without God you're living in a world of chance, and you don't know what is possible or impossible etc etc. It's completely arbitrary.He should be more specific. Asking for grounds, then rejecting those grounds and asking for ultimate grounding is pointless. What is his gods ultimate ground? Perhaps there simply is no such thing as the ultimate grounds he seeks.
Side note : I'm may not be framing this in the best way. It's all over Youtube and Discord though.The argument always goes the same way, but it hurts my head just thinking about it.
Just as pointless -insisting that a world without god is a world of chance, or that we don't know what is or isn't possible. Atheism isn't the belief in a chance based universe, and I know that it's not possible to convince me of the existence of a god with arguments like these.
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