How to beat a presupp at their own game

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

To what end, you've already indicated that you are well aware of the existence of other people's opinions about the contents of your magic book and the character of the god it describes.  

You insisted that we could rule out religions with unjust gods.  If so, we can rule your religion out, by your rule.   I appreciate that you only intended to use this a cudgel against other peoples unjust gods  - and I'll point out again that I think you've asserted a comically inept non-rule.  

Simply put.... if you believe that this is a valid way to rule a religion in or out, then this is a standard that anyone can equally apply to your own.

I am afraid you misunderstood my rule. The Qur'an says, verbatim, that Allah is just, regardless of what anyone thinks about this assertion, therefore this rule doesn't apply. If some other religion asserts otherwise, then the rule applies and the religion can be dismissed because it doesn't make sense to worship an unjust god, who may decide to punish everyone including people who sincerely worshipped him. What you're missing is that this is not a discussion about whether the assertion -Allah being just- is actually true.

BTW I asked for a verse that says Allah is not just and you didn't provide any. Therefore my assertion stands, Islams says of itself that Allah is just and there is no reason to rule it out based on that.

The level of the offense doesn’t alter the abrogation of justice. Justice may be thought of as getting what you deserve. If an offender deserves punishment X and is awarded X-n, it is merciful and - in many cases - the right thing to do. But it is not justice.

Of course, a judge (either divine or mortal) CAN be both just and merciful, but not at the same time. Allah has the prerogative, in any particular judgement, to dispense either justice or mercy, but it isn’t coherent to claim that he is always just and always merciful.

This point might be more clear to you if you’d read up on the concepts involved.

Of course it cannot be simultaneously true that a god is infinitely just AND infinitely merciful in one instance. But who is claiming that? No one. It's always good to keep in mind that God cannot do what is logically impossible -like squaring the circle. And that it is not a problem

Then, in every instance in which God dispenses mercy, he is being unjust. Therefore, either you worship an unjust, or the Quran is mistaken (read ‘wrong’) when it refers to God as ‘the most merciful’.

Glad you’re finally getting it.

Boru