(March 27, 2021 at 7:48 am)Superjock Wrote: So Darths argument starts with the following - in the Christian worldview God is the ultimate and necessary prerequisite and basis for all intelligibiliy, facts and truth). How does he know that? Because God revealed it through divine revelation and did so in a way that he couldn't be wrong. Now by denying this worldview, by necessity, you are denying the Christian God.
Ah. I see what's up. He begins with a prejudice. "God revealed it through divine revelation and did so in a way that he couldn't be wrong."
I don't accept this. And THIS (rather than what is needed for a proper foundation of knowledge) is what is being debated by Darth guy. Darth guy pretends that he isn't saying "Believe me, it's all here in the big book." He wants to seem more credible than that. He wants to seem like he cares about facts and the truth. But, no. He doesn't. He wants you to believe what's in his book. The same lame-ass schtick, but dressed up in logical garb.
"I don't know" is a perfectly fine answer. It's an honest answer. A humble answer. But rather than teaching him humility, Darth's religion has (like many believers) left him with a bloated sense of self-importance. (But they still call that "humility"... never understood that.)
I wouldn't waste my time with him. But if you DO (I have found myself unable to resist debates before, trust me) then bring up a mundane example, like I did with my coffee mug. How does a believer have better knowledge that a coffee mug sits before them as opposed to a nonbeliever? It's nonsense to say they do. But just hearing him explain how "only the believer really knows the mug is there" may be worth a chuckle. It's hard to say something like that without sounding like an idiot. Of course I know my coffee mug sits in front of me. ANYONE can know that sort of thing. Regardless of his religious beliefs. It's just plain stupid to claim otherwise.
Mundane knowledge, like where a coffee mug sits, is in principle no different from any other kind of knowledge.
