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Theists: What is your stance on evolution?
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RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution?
(November 28, 2021 at 12:05 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I believe it's real; all creatures did evolve from something, house cats evolved from 'Felis silvestris lybica' after domestication for example.

Islam which I practice did mention that the creation of Adam involved a "fashioning" stage:

https://quran.com/15:29?font=v1&translations=131%2C20

Sura 15: verse 28˹: Remember, O  Prophet˺ when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from sounding clay moulded from black mud.1

Sura 15: verse 28˹ : So when I have fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own ˹creation˺ breathed into him, fall down in prostration to him.”

I believe that "fashioning Adam" is evolution.

So, I believe in it. It's common sense.

Who was Adam’s dad and mom? The black mud?

Turning a piece of mud into a human is magic. Mud is just wet dirt, which contains sand, which is mostly SiO2. So, this god converted some of the silicon atoms into carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, sulfur, calcium?
So, we are talking about transmutation of matter and also positioning atoms so that you end up having the right molecules.

A line like “he made a human from mud” is reasonable for a primitive human.
Anything that is about transmutation of matter makes sense to a primitive human since he doesn’t really know what matter is, he doesn’t know what the law of conservation of mass and energy is.
The authors of the jewish religion could have written:
1. God took a copper from the copper mines and fashioned it into Adam.
2. God took some piece of the Sun.
3. God took a piece of his own rib and fashioned Adam.
4. God made Adam from nothing. (because ultimately, where did the mud come from, where the Earth come from?)

The authors could have written any number of things and the primitive humans would find it acceptable.

In your case, you reject the idea that god made Adam from mud. You are actually choosing science over religion while claiming to be accepting both.
Congratulations, you’re belief is different than your ancestors from 100 y ago.

BTW, making a human from mud is more akin to abiogenesis. That’s not biological evolution.
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Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Agnostic1 - November 17, 2021 at 11:21 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Angrboda - November 18, 2021 at 10:41 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by no one - November 17, 2021 at 11:57 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Ranjr - November 18, 2021 at 12:19 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Paleophyte - November 18, 2021 at 12:42 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by snowtracks - November 27, 2021 at 12:36 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Astreja - November 27, 2021 at 1:51 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Angrboda - November 27, 2021 at 9:58 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Paleophyte - November 28, 2021 at 11:28 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Foxaèr - November 18, 2021 at 12:45 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Ranjr - November 18, 2021 at 1:24 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by T.J. - November 18, 2021 at 10:18 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Ahriman - November 18, 2021 at 10:44 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by T.J. - November 18, 2021 at 10:49 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Ahriman - November 18, 2021 at 11:30 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by brewer - November 18, 2021 at 10:31 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by brewer - November 19, 2021 at 8:44 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by brewer - November 19, 2021 at 10:10 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Ahriman - November 19, 2021 at 9:16 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by brewer - November 19, 2021 at 12:36 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Angrboda - November 19, 2021 at 10:10 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by tackattack - November 19, 2021 at 12:30 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Angrboda - November 20, 2021 at 8:59 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Agnostic1 - November 21, 2021 at 6:49 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Agnostic1 - November 24, 2021 at 12:35 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Ranjr - November 24, 2021 at 1:25 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Agnostic1 - November 24, 2021 at 1:25 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Agnostic1 - November 26, 2021 at 4:30 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by WinterHold - November 28, 2021 at 12:05 pm
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by WinterHold - November 29, 2021 at 12:50 am
RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution? - by Ferrocyanide - November 28, 2021 at 3:44 pm

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