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Occupy wallstreet demands
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RE: Occupy wallstreet demands
(November 20, 2011 at 5:23 pm)Shell B Wrote: How can you work hard to rise above the system when there is no work, kilic? I apologize, but it sounds like you know very little about the issues.

America is founded on the right of protest. That is what people can do about it. They can protest and work to push laws that would keep politicians from getting corporate funding.

When you say I speak in my own words, you are right. However, what I am saying is what a huge percentage of the protesters are saying. People to choose to ignore it and latch on to the "they are all lazy bums that need to work harder" argument. I am not buying it. It sounds like they have FOX News in Turkey. Smile
Well, not all types of work are really worth something. Like you can't rise anywhere if you work in starbucks, or as a cashier in a grocery store, or you can't rise up in the system as a construction worker, electrician or anything that does not require higher education in a university.
You also can't rise anywhere with a degree in a branch like modern cinema, which is a department that I've only recently heard of, even if you can find work(unless you decide to stay in the university).

However, you can earn a good salary from jobs that result from high-tier education, like law, engineering, natural sciences(like, you know, physics, chemistry, biology and the like, but some will stay in the university, and research departments), economics and the like.

Truly, if you can't find work, it's not just due to the fault of the government, which is certainly at fault in America, however it also depends on the person itself.
I know that university education is not free in America, and it certainly isn't cheap either for good universities(whereas the good universities in Turkey are all free), however, I must say that this also serves a different purpose.
We in Turkey have a large army of unemployed, and well educated men.
We produce more educated people than the system requires, and therefore, many of our engineers, scientists, historians and etc. go to western countries to seek employment.
We are also short on intermediate staff, like technicians, whereas the system in America allows for the training of an amount of educated men to satisfy the need, and takes the rest from abroad, while the rest of the population are composed of the "working class". However, America, being the capitalist country it is, allows for much outsourcing of jobs, since the working class in manufacturing is declining, due to cheap labor in other countries.
I'm not saying that the people there are lazy bums. I'm sure they'd do well with a job that they're given according to their level of skill and education(on which I need some data to determine what exactly could be done to help them). All I'm saying is, that creating jobs is something that requires more money be spent by someone, and no one is willing to spend that money unless it's tied to something more lucrative.

And I want to add that this is not something that is done so lightly. Like, people cannot simply create jobs out of nowhere. The private sector cannot, unless they're expanding, and in the case they're not, they won't. And even in that case it may not be permanent, since competition can always drive you out of business in that area, and force more people to become unemployed. I'm sorry, but those are the hard facts of life.
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Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 18, 2011 at 11:28 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Minimalist - November 18, 2011 at 12:27 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 18, 2011 at 9:02 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by paintpooper - November 21, 2011 at 5:49 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by theVOID - November 21, 2011 at 9:04 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by paintpooper - November 18, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Minimalist - November 18, 2011 at 9:10 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 18, 2011 at 9:22 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 19, 2011 at 1:35 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 19, 2011 at 6:37 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Zen Badger - November 19, 2011 at 6:51 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 19, 2011 at 7:02 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 19, 2011 at 9:54 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 20, 2011 at 12:15 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 20, 2011 at 5:23 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 20, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Anymouse - November 21, 2011 at 9:55 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Jackalope - November 21, 2011 at 11:36 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by theVOID - November 21, 2011 at 11:39 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Jackalope - November 22, 2011 at 12:58 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Phaedra - November 22, 2011 at 1:06 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Jackalope - November 22, 2011 at 1:28 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Phaedra - November 22, 2011 at 12:05 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 20, 2011 at 9:14 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 20, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 20, 2011 at 10:06 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 20, 2011 at 10:41 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 20, 2011 at 10:58 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 20, 2011 at 11:48 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 21, 2011 at 12:09 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 21, 2011 at 1:22 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 21, 2011 at 1:57 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by kılıç_mehmet - November 21, 2011 at 10:29 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 21, 2011 at 5:31 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Skeptical_Nurse - November 21, 2011 at 1:59 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 21, 2011 at 2:02 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Phaedra - November 21, 2011 at 5:01 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Jackalope - November 21, 2011 at 6:01 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Mister Agenda - November 22, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Jackalope - November 22, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Shell B - November 21, 2011 at 5:05 am
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Mister Agenda - November 21, 2011 at 3:18 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by theVOID - November 21, 2011 at 10:30 pm
RE: Occupy wallstreet demands - by Autumnlicious - November 21, 2011 at 11:59 pm

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