(March 10, 2022 at 12:28 am)Paleophyte Wrote:(March 9, 2022 at 9:22 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Stories about gods and what they do are called Just-so stories or just so stories
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story
It just means that it is a story. The only thing you can do is listen to it. There isn't anything to verify.
That poster mentioned Ken Ham which is a YEC. Modern science has blown away YEC during the 19 th century. And I think MichaelAngelo was also someone who claimed that the layers you find in the ground, the rocks, is evidence of an ancient Earth but there wasn't a large science community during his time so science doing advance much during his time.
I prefer to think of them as just bad stories. It's clear that they're woefully out of date (stoning people is no longer morally acceptable) and have never seen a marginally competent editor. If there had been dinosaurs in Job it would have been an improvement. Seriously though, Ken Ham and the YEC were what got you? Once he started mentioning dinosaurs in the Bible those fools were just icing on the cake.
I just mentioned Ken Ham since I wanted to keep it short.
I didn’t understand. Which fools?
But who mostly is a believer in Ken Ham, Kent Hovind and TV evangelists like Jim Bakker? It looks to me that they are mostly aging segment of the population. Maybe 60+ y old. They have grown in isolated pockets where new ideas don’t get introduced.
The younger generation has access to the internet. It is likely that at some point, they are going to decide to make up their minds for themselves.
They aren’t going to make up their minds if nobody talks about this stuff.
For example, it is important to understand that in general, people want to do good. For example, people aren’t going to stone their son for the fun of it.
Somehow, primitive humans came up with the idea that nature has spirits (various personalities).
Some of these personalities can get upset and they cause problems for humans, weather problems, disease, famine, etc.
If the question was “Why did I get sick”, “Why did my crop fail”, “Why is my son a lunatik (leprosy)” and so on, the chief priest probably made up some answer that seemed reasonable to him and claimed that you did X which pissed off god #N and he is punishing you now or he is punishing us all.
So, the reasonable thing to do is to stone the guy who is not obeying “god’s law” and the rest might be spared from god’s anger.
Or, their reasoning took the form of let’s sacrifice this guy or that goat to the gods and they’ll be cool with us.
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You can find those notions in judaism and other religions.
Jesus’s death is founded on the same idea:
1. You need to do a sacrifice for your god
2. Jesus’s death wipes away our sins which is just another way of saying that it reduces the anger of the god
3. Blood has to be spilled. Ancient cultures regarded blood as a magical life giving liquid. So, Jesus was a perfect guy and spilling his blood permanently satisfied the god. There is no more need to do a yearly sacrifice of a goat, which possesses less blood magic or something.