(December 1, 2011 at 10:24 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: That's it. I'm tapping out too.
Why?
Quote:I'm tired of this mincing words, "I didn't say this specific thing", "I only advocated for this tiny thing in a discussion on the general implementation", et al.
What the fuck? Mincing words? No, I am simply asking that you do not treat me as if I advocated something I did not advocate. I don't give a flying fuck if the conversation is about "general implementation." I added exceptions to my agreement. Tough titty. I don't have to all the way agree or disagree to please you.
Quote:You want to be evasive and double think it? Fine.
Oh, please. You want to intentionally misquote my beliefs and the CLEAR statements I have made. Fine. Wah.
Quote:You want to build an entire penalty out of a rare special case and then freely advocate it for that, fine.
Wow. You made that one up too, huh?
Quote:You want to posture theory but never want to implement it? Fine.
Who said that? I don't want to implement it right now and I doubt it will be something I could agree to in my life time. Therefore, I am not going to say, "Um, because I do not 100% disagree, I think we have to set plans in motion to get this death penalty thing up and running."
Quote:I noted that the system invariably let's these incredible injustices through.
Yeah, duly noted. I never argued that. I fucking dare you to find one place where I said that. It would be nice if we were actually disagreeing about actual arguments I made.
Quote:Pity all you want to do is "want" to not want to execute innocents.
I don't "want" to execute anybody. You "want" for me to have said the things that you are bitching about so you would have a leg to stand on. To be honest, your putting words in my mouth and refusing to acknowledge what I am actually saying is starting to piss me off. I like you, very much, in fact, for an internet entity. I simply cannot fathom why you want to make something up to be pissed about. Sorry I'm not dealing in absolutes like the morality brigade here. Fuck, I only even came into this thread again to talk about the "it" thing and you jumped all over me about shit OTHER people have been saying in this thread.
Quote:Never mind that it is inevitable (anyone take systems analysis? what about some common sense summed as "shit gets through"...)
Fucking irrelevant. I could say, "I would not smack my child unless he was going into shock and needed to snap out of it." Would you then get all menstrual about my exception? The likelihood of the scenario being just right for such an action has no bearing on me making an exception for it.
Quote:No more. You win.
I'm not trying to "win" anything, Syn. Not in the slightest. I am trying to make a point. Maybe I am not communicating it right. Maybe it is impossible for anyone to be anything but absolute and, quite frankly, insulting, when it comes to this topic and I simply failed to realize it. I have no idea. Nonetheless, it is not my intention to change anyone's mind or "win" anything. I am trying to understand and be understood. It's that simple.
Quote:I'm just sick of non-axiomatic thinking and bullshit ignorance of the system as it develops over time. Because humans can clearly and intelligently implement what they've failed to do terribly well since the first shaman pointed at the local hag and shouted "witch!".
How is the issue axiomatic in any way? Executions are demonstrably different (read:fewer) than they were back then. You simply never know what will happen, so I am not throwing my hands up in the air and saying, "It will never be like that, so no, I'm not even going to consider it" and that somehow pisses you off.
