RE: Non-existence
August 11, 2009 at 4:28 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2009 at 4:33 pm by Jon Paul.)
(August 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No, it doesn't because I am not arguing what the solipsist believes I am arguing that a universe that is virtual or dreamed involves more complexity than one that is real.That's fine. But that doesn't address solipsism, since that is not solipsism, and as a consequence, you are refuting the simplicity of an ontology which is not solipsistic, and as a consequence, you fail to refute the simplicity of solipsism.
(August 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I couldn't care less what some whacked up bunch of nutfuckers believe!The concern is not the solipsists, but rather how we know they are wrong, which is the only important issue here.
(August 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No, the realist acknowledge reality! Using phrases such as "ontological reality" is just jumped up metaphysical hyper-bollocks ... it is utterly unnecessary to the conversation (as evidenced by the fact that it wasn't necessary before in this particular piece of the conversation) and I suspect you use them as something to retreat behind, an attempt to confuse your opponents by ducking behind philosophical complexities and language!I certainly don't. Solipsism is a claim with ontological and epistemological implications, just like realism. Ontology is the study of the nature of being, and epistemology is the study of the nature of knowing. Now there's nothing you don't know.
(August 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: You know you can carry on this stupid word game all you want but I will not play ... your philosophy (specifically your metaphysical and meta-ontological crap) is bollocks and I will continue to consider it so until such time as you meet the challenge I have already set you! Meet that successfully and I will play your game, until then give us a break!Right, and I will ignore you until you come up with real arguments instead of complaints over words you don't like.
(August 11, 2009 at 4:09 pm)LukeMC Wrote: So let me get this straight. The mind exists, and that which it experiences is itself the mind and not a part of the mind nor a system within the mind?The mind exists, and the mind is the reality and entity which contains all conscious experience and sense-data which is consciously experienced. Nothing is known to exist except the mind.
(August 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: If I have it right, there are no interactions in solipsist reality.You are exactly right that there are no interactions, because there is nothing to interact with. The only existing thing is the mind.
The people who are the most bigoted are the people who have no convictions at all.
-G. K. Chesterton
-G. K. Chesterton
