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RE: Non-existence

August 11, 2009 at 5:09 pm (This post was last modified: August 11, 2009 at 5:09 pm by Jon Paul.)

(August 11, 2009 at 4:55 pm)LukeMC Wrote: That which is consciously experienced must exist in some form.

It does exist, as conscious experience in the mind. I never said it doesn't exist. I said that the solipsist makes no leap of faith to the idea that the conscious experience in his mind represents a reality that exists independently, outside of the mind. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, in his mind, exactly as conscious experience of sense-data. It means that that sense-data does not represent a reality outside of the mind.

(August 11, 2009 at 4:55 pm)LukeMC Wrote: If it doesn't exist then what IS conscious experience? How can you even verify that you have a mind if you cannot verify that your mind actually does enough to be considering "existing"?

It is verifiable in that you consciously experience it, which also happens to be the prerequisite for calling yourself a mind.

The people who are the most bigoted are the people who have no convictions at all.
-G. K. Chesterton

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Non-existence - by dagda - July 31, 2009 at 11:07 am

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RE: Non-existence - by Rhizomorph13 - August 2, 2009 at 3:42 am

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RE: Non-existence - by dagda - August 5, 2009 at 2:20 pm

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RE: Non-existence - by Ryft - August 6, 2009 at 3:33 am

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RE: Non-existence - by Kyuuketsuki - August 6, 2009 at 7:12 am

RE: Non-existence - by Ryft - August 6, 2009 at 7:31 am

RE: Non-existence - by Kyuuketsuki - August 6, 2009 at 8:16 am

RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 7, 2009 at 10:09 am

RE: Non-existence - by Kyuuketsuki - August 7, 2009 at 5:30 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 8, 2009 at 10:11 am

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RE: Non-existence - by dagda - August 9, 2009 at 3:58 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Kyuuketsuki - August 10, 2009 at 6:47 am

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RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 10, 2009 at 5:34 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Kyuuketsuki - August 10, 2009 at 5:51 pm

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RE: Non-existence - by LukeMC - August 10, 2009 at 6:42 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 10, 2009 at 7:49 pm

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RE: Non-existence - by LukeMC - August 10, 2009 at 9:34 pm

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RE: Non-existence - by LukeMC - August 11, 2009 at 12:28 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 11, 2009 at 2:30 pm

RE: Non-existence - by LukeMC - August 11, 2009 at 2:32 pm

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RE: Non-existence - by LukeMC - August 11, 2009 at 4:55 pm

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RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 12, 2009 at 8:32 pm

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RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 13, 2009 at 12:17 am

RE: Non-existence - by Rhizomorph13 - August 11, 2009 at 6:53 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Kyuuketsuki - August 12, 2009 at 4:15 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Rhizomorph13 - August 11, 2009 at 8:14 pm

RE: Non-existence - by Jon Paul - August 11, 2009 at 8:49 pm

RE: Non-existence - by theVOID - August 13, 2009 at 12:40 am

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RE: Non-existence - by Violet - August 14, 2009 at 4:22 am

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