RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 3, 2012 at 7:24 pm
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2012 at 8:14 pm by C Rod.)
(April 3, 2012 at 7:52 am)houseofcantor Wrote:(April 2, 2012 at 7:30 pm)C Rod Wrote: What is being revision?
In the OT, ya mess with YHWH, you die. Sometimes horribly, but the threshold of eternity was the end of the matter. Jesus, however, was all about the after. Clearly it was a ploy to expand the appeal of Judaism from an elitist cult requiring much time and study to an evangelical form where one prayer and you're in the mix.
Saying that the OT was written in anticipation of Jesus is seriously wearing the blinders. Only the book of Isaiah seems to indicate a coming savior, and that's iffy.
There is many indications in the OT to tell of a coming savior or "King". If you want them, I'll will find all of them for you. Isaiah 53 is iffy, lol. If they went back and edited that verse after Jesus, then well, yea its super iffy but it is not about Israel.
It doesn't seem to be a grand ploy, one prayer and your in, that simple everybody should just do it and just forget about it. Seems merciful and generous. God desires mercy. Hosea 6:6
If afterlife wasn't of importance, then why in Daniel is he told that he will rest and then be given is allotted inheritance? Afterlife?
(April 3, 2012 at 9:20 am)Rhythm Wrote: "Well, I mean, I wouldn't scapegoat anyone, but since it's already done, it's all good, I accept it"
"Well, I mean I wouldn't mug anyone, but since he's already laying dead on the pavement, I guess it;s okay to take his wallet"
Give me a break. How's about this, tell your magic man to reverse time and events, pulls jesus off the cross, and let you deal with your own shit, you know, like a responsible human being who doesn't make excuses? You may think you've found a way to clear this whole business with your conscience, but I can't. Perhaps you should wonder why my atheist's conscience seems so much more strict than your own theist 's conscience? It just might have something to do with accepting responsibility for my actions and refusing to allow others to be the fall man for whatever I get myself involved in (even if they want to, even if they offer to, even if they could). I understand and appreciate that what you attempted to explain with your response was how this whole affair was made "okay", but to me, all you did was paint a picture of christains as vultures, picking at the corpse of christ.
In the comparison to the the guy that got mugged, did he want me to have what was in his pockets? Why would you not accept a gift, are you too good, too noble, are you afraid to be deceived or insecure?
If I have to deal with my shit, i will accept what ever happens, how the fuck could i not, well i guess i could reason my good deeds or rational view.
What does it take to soothe your conscious and why must your conscious be soothed to began with?
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