(April 5, 2012 at 5:00 pm)mediamogul Wrote:(April 5, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:(April 5, 2012 at 8:42 am)mediamogul Wrote:(April 5, 2012 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote:(April 4, 2012 at 11:21 pm)mediamogul Wrote:
You're correct, that is what the Catholic Church promotes, I do not believe all Catholics believe what the Catholic Church sells, at least some of the Catholics I know do not buy into all the things the church sells.
Right. And the Protestant church sells salvation by faith alone. It all depends what you are in the market for. Either way salvation is an appeal to selfishness and seeking the reward of heaven and avoiding the punishments of hell. You bought faith others bought works. Neither have any ultimate truth and are just alternate interpretations of the same mythology.
You can be in the market for many things and by into it, this does not mean you haven't bought a forgery. The scriptures are clear that salvation comes by grace from God, meaning salvation is an unmerited gift, which by definition means one can not earn ie. work for their salvation. If one has to work for salvation then faith is dead, simple really. The Protestant Church does not sell salvation, selling means works and works denies faith, not selling, teaching the truth of scripture. Works are to accompany faith after salvation, salvation first then works in faith, simple really.
So how much did you pay for your version? Seems a lot cheaper. In Catholocism one is actually expected to do something. The Protestant version's focus is simply on "right belief" and the acceptance of the sacrifice of jesus for their sins. SO I would say you got the bargain. Both are certainly defective products but hey at least yours didn't cost you an arm and a leg!
Haha. Everybody can cite scripture to prove whatever it is they want to prove. You just picked Luther's cult as opposed to the Papal cult.
No, I chose Biblical truth, and you are some what right, my salvation was a gift from God, as scripture says. Please show me scriptures that say works is the way to salvation, I've defended against this before, hope to see some scriptures that are different, gets boring repeating the same things.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.