Obama's church buddies on his new gay marriage stance

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I think the real point to be considered here is what I and libalchris said before. Godschild cannot choose to be homosexual any more than I can, just like I didn't choose to be heterosexual. I have no choice in my attraction to women.

I don't agree with your premise here. The fact that there is a choice I'm not willing to make does not mean that it isn't a choice. I'd never set fire to my mother, but that doesn't mean setting fire to my mother is not a choice. It only means setting fire to my mother is not something I would personally choose.

You can always look at it from the perspective that humans are simply organic machines and that nothing is really a choice. We're all just atoms whooshing around toward an inevitable conclusion, and any semblance of control is an illusion. That kind of negates the idea of anything being a choice, though, so I tend to ignore it since it's meaningless to the human experience.

I still agree with you that we shouldn't persecute homosexuals even if homosexuality is a choice. We have laws curbing the rights of those who choose to rape, murder, or steal. That's because those are choices with victims. Any view of homosexuality that includes the victimization of even a single person is purely a work of fiction.