RE: Atheists and Sin
October 30, 2008 at 5:45 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2008 at 6:11 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(October 30, 2008 at 6:02 am)ManofGOD Wrote: I would like to know atheist views on sin. Clearly, being a person of high moral character requires an understanding of sin. I do not assume that because you are atheist, that you are immoral. Please refrain from saying the bible is immoral because of slavery, etc.I believe in morality. I don't believe in sin.
Some examples of sin include: pride, envy, jealously, over-indulgence (food, wine, sex), being vain,selfish ambition.
Pride: I don't think pride is always wrong. Especially when you have something to be proud about your not ignorant mixed with pride, so it probably couldn't and/or shouldn't be considered arrogance or arrogant pride.
Envy/jealousy: I'm not familiar with a difference between envy and jealousy so I will treat them as the same. I'll call them both envy for now atleast. I doubt envy is always bad without being good in any way atleast. I just can't think of an example of envy being a good thing at the moment, and I might not in the near or distant future, but then again maybe I will soon. Maybe one of you can give me an example for instance. I can imagine that there could be occasions when it is good overall. But I can't think of any right now.
Over-indulgence: Well over indulgence implies indulging too much doesn't it? Well too much I understand to be, well, too much. So I don't see how something that implies 'too much is bad' or that 'over indulgence' is bad, could be wrong. I don't see how.
Vanity: I understand that vanity can cause problems, because its ignorant because it assumes oneself, and particularly one's imagine, to be more important than it really is. In atleast a shallow sense. I can imagine that it could in order to make oneself look better perhaps. But you don't need vanity to do this. Just care for your appearance, which I wouldn't call vanity because I assume that vanity would mean doing so, but in an overly obsessive way. I think there could be quite a few ways in which vanity could comfort oneself. But I understand that vanity (as in the sin of vanity, so therefore overly excessive vanity, if there is indeed a mild and normal vanity) is in the majority of cases and occasions atleast a bad thing.
Selfish ambition: I have experienced this myself, and once again, I think that selfish ambition in itself, in what the words mean alone when put together, isn't necessarily bad, particularly if you just have it on the side. But if it becomes overly important you become shallow to say the least in my opinion and experience. I personally think there should be a crossover between selfish and selfless ambition. That is very harmonious atleast in my opinion. I think when what you want to do for yourself (therefore selfish), also happens to atleast potentially help others (there also selfless), then that is harmonious and perhaps even somewhat ideal. Depends on your opinion.
So thats what I think about those sins as immoral/negative values (or whatever you'd call them, can you have bad/immoral or negative values?). And thats just about these "sins".
I do not treat these "sins" that I talked about as having any supernatural connection whatsoever. So I certainly don't believe it has anything to do with God.