RE: Why do you not believe in God?
July 14, 2012 at 10:44 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2012 at 10:44 pm by KnockEmOuttt.)
(July 14, 2012 at 10:30 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote:(July 14, 2012 at 9:36 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote: Am I correct in thinking you are arguing against the use of logic? If that's the case, your past arguments make perfect sense to me now.
I am not. I am saying justifying logic by logic is circular. I accept logic, but not on the basis of logic. To say, as Taq, we know logic is true because it has been tried and therefore works, seems to me to assume logic.
The argument, it seems to me, is something like this
1. Things that are true are things that work in reality
2. Logic works in reality
3. Therefore basic logic is true
However to even go from 1 to three you must assume logic is true as you use logic to make any inference. It used to be philosophers thought you could demonstrate truths by reason alone, and this has failed, which is partly what led to post-modernism.
We know logic by intuition, and so it is also possible that this is how we can know God.
But we can test logic, and it holds up. When it doesn't our understanding of logic changes. We can't truly test God. When we do try, it doesn't hold up. Yet we're still supposed to retain the same understanding of God, according to religious doctrine, regardless of the fact that it doesn't stand up to the test.
I assume logic because logic has proved itself in my eyes. God has not. Therefore, unless you prove God then I will not assume God by default.
You really believe in a man who has helped to save the world twice, with the power to change his physical appearance? An alien who travels though time and space--in a police box?!?