(September 4, 2012 at 2:05 am)Godschild Wrote: Why in secular morality is murder considered immoral, why can't it be considered moral? There are those who do not think murder is immoral, why should they have to be forced to live by the morality of the majority.
DP Wrote:...and here we go again. How many times is this? Do I get a prize for repeating it for the 100th time? Maybe then it will sink in?
Murder is morally wrong because it violates the will and rights of another. We as community beings that humans are, live and survive by a social contract. Those who would want to be able to murder others without being murdered themselves are in violation of that social contract and guilty of hypocrisy. Additionally, we are empathetic beings, we feel one another's pain and would not want such pain visited upon us.
What I wrote about is a far better explanation of what morality is than what the Christians offer "cause big invisible sky daddy sez so" which is nothing more than an appeal to authority and might-makes-right. In your case GC, you have said you are quite comfortable with your god making up rules and enforcing them arbitrarily, but this is not morality at all.
Your argument could be applied to the morality of scripture, yet you do not recognize the morality given to us though scripture. You seem to be the hypocrite here. God did not make up arbitrary rules, He gave us a moral code to live by because it is good for us, whether we like it or not. That law has not changed other than to grow in number because man could not obey the ones that were originally laid out for us.
God gave us these laws to show us how pitiful we are and that without a savior we would find ourselves in dire straits.
Gc Wrote:All the atheist and nonbelievers I've spoken to do not believe they should have to live by God's moral code, necessarily, yet the majority in this country believe that God's moral code is better than the rest.
DP Wrote:How many of them know what that moral code even is? How many have read Leviticus or the rest of the Bible? Of those who do, what does it mean to live by Yahweh's laws and yet disregard them at will because "Jesus died for that."?
That's the very thing I've been saying, nonbelievers do not try and reason out scriptures, all they want to do is try and find fault with them, how unfortunate.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.