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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why
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RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why
November 1, 2012 at 2:55 pm
(November 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Does god have a plan?

If yes: does anything go against god's will?

If yes: Murder, rape, etc. are god's will.


Another version is this: God decides when each person will be born and when they will die. People say 'it was his time' or 'it wasn't his time'. Therefore, babies born of rape, are god's will (as some republicans have said) and people who are killed (holocaust, anyone?) were also slain by god's will. This doesn't make it right, it just proves that god is a total [insert obscene descriptor here].
This is a simplistic use of “god’s will,” which is usually broken down into at least two types – sovereign and desirous (some use different terminology and additional types). The argument above correctly notes that nothing goes against God’s sovereign will, but incorrectly implies that all things are part of his desirous will.


Quote:Huh? I thought god granted us dominion over the earth. I can't remember who said it, but someone did.
Er, yes, but the question was, “On what basis do we have rights apart from those God grants us?”

Quote:EXACTLY! God created the first two humans, let humanity expand outward for millenia, and then claimed ownership of it all! Wasn't there a parable about reaping what you have sown? I guess that's just more christian hypocrisy, then.
I can’t address this as I have no clue what the point is.
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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why

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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Killman - November 1, 2012 at 4:59 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 5:36 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Killman - November 1, 2012 at 5:46 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 7:11 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Gilgamesh - November 1, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 8:20 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Utracia - November 1, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cinjin - November 1, 2012 at 10:55 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 9:16 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 9:28 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 2, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Gilgamesh - November 1, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Angrboda - November 1, 2012 at 9:33 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 10:45 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by LastPoet - November 1, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Undeceived - November 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 1, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Drich - November 1, 2012 at 8:39 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 2, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 2, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 2, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 2, 2012 at 8:52 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Ryantology - November 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 3, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 6, 2012 at 4:22 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 3, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 1:41 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 4, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 3:48 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 4, 2012 at 5:49 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 4, 2012 at 10:18 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:46 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 6, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:29 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:39 am

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