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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why
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RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why
November 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm
(November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm)John V Wrote: Sure. His desirous will is what he wants. His sovereign will is what he permits (and is called permissive will by some).

When someone murders another, that’s within god’s sovereign will, but against his desirous will.

So then, god does not choose when it is someone's 'time'?

(November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm)John V Wrote:
Darkstar Wrote:If god granted us dominion over the earth, then why are you complaining that we eat other animals?
I’m not. I recognize that we have rights over lesser creatures. I likewise recognize that God, as the greater being and creator, has rights over us. If you recognize the first, on what basis do you deny the second?

Well, we don't really have inherent 'rights' over lesser creatures; we hunted them for survival, and now eat them for sustenance. God is all powerful, so I don't see why he would need to control us.

(November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm)John V Wrote:
Darkstar Wrote:It really isn't that difficult of a concept.
Obviously, if you’re using it.

Dodgy I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you incorrectly concluded that I was calling you stupid by this; I was not.

(November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm)John V Wrote: We haven’t created any animals. On what basis do we claim rights to their lives?

I guess that depends how you define 'create'. We claim them either as pets, or for sustenance. Unless you'd like to become a vegan... Now, the main difference would be that most of the animals we eat were raised for the purpose; they were fed and cared for. God has been kind of absent for the last few millenia. Whenever god intervened, he only killed us, whether it was the Israelites killing everyone else, or everyone dying. God has no reason to control us other than want of control; he doesn't need to eat, and if he does he can procure food from nothing. Now, one could argue for us all to be vegans, but plants are technically alive too. I understand your points, and actually agree with them to an extent. The difference between us and him is that he has nothing to gain from controlling us when he already has infinite power, whereas we would be hindered to an extent if we did nothing about animals, and I'm not just talking about eating (rat infestations, anyone?).
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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why

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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Killman - November 1, 2012 at 4:59 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 5:36 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Killman - November 1, 2012 at 5:46 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 7:11 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Gilgamesh - November 1, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 8:20 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Utracia - November 1, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cinjin - November 1, 2012 at 10:55 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 9:16 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 9:28 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 2, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Gilgamesh - November 1, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Angrboda - November 1, 2012 at 9:33 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 10:45 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by LastPoet - November 1, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Undeceived - November 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 1, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Drich - November 1, 2012 at 8:39 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 2, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 2, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 2, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 2, 2012 at 8:52 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Ryantology - November 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 3, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 6, 2012 at 4:22 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 3, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 1:41 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 4, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 3:48 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 4, 2012 at 5:49 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 4, 2012 at 10:18 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:46 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 6, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:29 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:39 am

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