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[Retorth]

LOL I think you completely misunderstood that Retorth

If you feel that I have misunderstood, I apologize. Please enlighten me.

What I was saying but you read differently.. was not the 'Christianity' was anything - more that the perfect model people aspire to would be another way of thinking about it. You failed to look at that in an unprejudiced way.

Please explain to me how it is I read what you wrote differently.

So anyway.. lets move on...

1. Not inflexible. Indecisive more like.

What??? God is precisely decisive and this is exactly what you're condemning him for. If you choose not to believe in him, to do bad stuff, you are choosing hell for yourself - no one is imposing that on you - you are completely free to choose that. Explain to me why you are not.

Why is it you automatically associate "not believing in him" with "doing bad things"? Right from the very start, I only refer to him condemning me for not believing in him but you suddenly throw in morals and "choosing hell for myself". This is the christian mindset, that life without god is evil and hellish. Is this not prejudice thinking? I merely ask a simple question "Why condemn me if you give me free will in the first place?".

If I smoke weed and take other assorted drugs and end up a drug addict on the verge of death then yes I have condemned myself.. However, here it is god who condemns us for not following him while still claiming to give us free will that confuses me.

What???

How does God giving you free will and you choosing to not believe (which then makes you anti God/ lost) then not equate to you having free will??? This is completely illogical to me. Again... Please explain.

If I give you the option to eat an apple or an orange and I say eating the orange is something I want you to do but you have the free will to choose either fruit, and you choose to eat the apple anyway. If I condemn you for that, does that still mean you had free will to begin with?

If he does give us free will, why does he condemn us for not believing in him? Free will means being free to choose as you desire.

With that said, yes my choosing not to believe does equate to free will. Obviously this doesn't apply to god. He has his own version of "free will" it appears.

If choice equals morality as you say then god isn't moral since he does not give you a choice anyway. Whats more he still condemns you for making what he perceives to be the wrong choice. That is being plain indecisive.

There can be no morality without choice. Choice ≠ morality.

Which is it? Choice = morality or choice ≠ morality?

Earlier you stated the following:

Without the choice, there is no morality.

This means choice = morality. Now you tell me choice ≠ morality. :S

A god giving you no choice cannot be enabling you to have morals. Morals are only possible with choice. Outside of Christianity... If you perceive yourself to make moral decisions then you are already claiming this choice. How does you're consideration of God then take moral decisions away from you. Again... complete bemusement from me.

What choice are you referring to being claimed, just so I do not misunderstand.

God is giving you a choice. You are free to choose completely, within the normal physical constraints of the universe.

If you choose to deny God, God being life, then you are condemning yourself to death/ Hell. You choose it. It is your choice.

If I do not believe in god, he isn't "life" then as you claim. I choose to lead my life away from religion, away from god, but he did give me free will, did he not? If so, why condemn me?

Now you say I am condemning myself, but it is he who is condemning me, is he not?

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I don't care about the other gods because i have reason to believe in my God which counts out the others.

And those who worship other gods have reason to believe in their gods too.