RE: Evidence?
October 4, 2009 at 8:27 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2009 at 9:13 pm by Retorth.)
(October 4, 2009 at 2:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: What on earth has that got to do with our conversation here?? Or the point you quote to reply to??? I don't think I should address it here (it's been addressed many times already recently anyway).
You have been trying to tell me that god "gives you the choice" but if you screw up it is your own doing so this very much is the point. Now I'm agreeing with you but you don't accept because you realize now how very foolish it sounds.
fr0d0 Wrote:'Retorth Wrote:As I said above, god is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent so he would have known I was going to take that heroin and it would have been part of his ultimate plan as everything else is.The point is you answer the question without invoking God. Does it mean that you do not have free will to buy and use Heroin solely because you know it will be harmful to you?
We are discussing about the religious stand point, not the non-religious. That is the whole point of my asking these questions to begin with, to understand your view point which instead of sharing with me, you merely attack mine. :S
The entire time I would, in that scenario, have handled the heroin in my own doing, obviously because god to me does not exist (Before you start attacking this I shall state that he cannot be proven nor disproven). Nobody controls me, nobody condemns me, I do the crime I do the time.
Now, what were you saying about this with respect to your omniscient and omnipotent god and his indecisiveness, not forgetting he would obviously know I would be handling heroin and it was in his almighty plan?
The dark side awaits YOU...AngryAtheism
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"Only the dead have seen the end of war..." - Plato
“Those who wish to base their morality literally on the Bible have either not read it or not understood it...” - Richard Dawkins