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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

November 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm (This post was last modified: November 28, 2012 at 4:57 pm by alwayson.)

(November 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Ok, so both groups mentioned in your OP agree that things exist. This would be the point at which Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's greatest creation confesses to a painful condition of colonic dyschezia (or "no shit Sherlock", to use the vernacular). That things exist would hopefully be undeniable, though not necessarily so; but there the two groups tend to part company, because the inevitable follow-up questions must be "what things exist?" and "how do we determine this existence?"

If you negate claims of existence, you automatically negate God etc.

So this is a harder form of atheism than found in the West.

And another advantage is that you are not drawn into a losing argument about how the universe came about.

Dawkins and Harris can learn a few things from the Buddhists.

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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm

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